Suspension of benefits for an individual who fails to take or pass drug tests

[dross]

1. What I ingest is nobody's business.

2. Don't force my employer to incur an expense that comes out of the total cost of compensating me, which then defacto comes out of my check, and then add on another form of tyranny to the first, which is to test me for things I ingest privately.

Both laws are a violation of my natural rights.

 

[level.eleven]

As long as they test for alcohol as well. If you can buy hooch, you don't need to be on unemployment. Nicotine too. As a matter of fact, we should simply ban the purchase of any such luxury item if you are collecting unemployment. I'll start working on the list of banned items...

 

[dross]

As a individual you pay nothing into the unemployment fund, it is business funded.

You don't understand basic economics. There is a total cost to the employer of employing me. That total cost is what I am worth, and I must produce more for the employer than my total cost. If the employer is forced by the government to incur a cost for me, that cost comes out of my pocket, it's just hidden from me.

Business pays for nothing. All costs are recovered. In this case it's a double whammy - the consumer pays for all unemployment insurance costs in the end, but before he does, my pay is reduced by the amount of the insurance paid on my "behalf."

 

[lashicoN]

I do not care if someone abuses alcohol or drugs, but if you want something most people have to work for, they have to pass a test just like the working class

"Leising: House Bill Encouraging Drug-Free Lifestyle for Unemployment Applicants Garners Key Senate Support"

Unemployment isn't the same thing as welfare. The working class pays into unemployment and draw from it when they're laid off. Shouldn't the working class get to use fun drugs on their off time while drawing the money that they paid into unemployment without having to take a drug test...to get their own money back out?

Drug test for welfare, neat-o. It would probably save some money, but I don't agree to testing for unemployment checks.

 

[rambone]

I'll file this idea right up there with the thread discussion about setting up forced labor camps for people on unemployment.

You can't fix Socialism by instituting Fascism.

I couldn't care less if the leeches consuming my tax dollars are sober or not. WHO CARES.

I'm sure you guys have heard about slippery slopes, right? This sounds like a great way to get the population to accept forcible invasion of privacy as totally normal. How long before mom & pop on Social Security are being forced to give freaking bio-samples to the government?

I'm not giving the government any body samples that they don't steal from me post-mortem. These ideas are crap. Kill the entitlement programs, don't justify entitlements with more Drug War shenanigans.

 

[dross]

"Leising: House Bill Encouraging Drug-Free Lifestyle for Unemployment Applicants Garners Key Senate Support"

Unemployment isn't the same thing as welfare. The working class pays into unemployment and draw from it when they're laid off. Shouldn't the working class get to use fun drugs on their off time while drawing the money that they paid into unemployment without having to take a drug test...to get their own money back out?

Drug test for welfare, neat-o. It would probably save some money, but I don't agree to testing for unemployment checks.

I agree with this, though I wish the government would stop worrying about what I ingest.

 

[lashicoN]

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

 

[hickuleas]

When will it end? Next the goverment will have a fart detecter implanted at your ass and every time you fart the EPA will fine you.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I meant drug testing for welfare, but why not for unemployment? You had to pass a drug test to keep the job, so if you want to keep getting unemployment why not keep the drug testing along with it.

 

[level.eleven]

Do politicians and judges have to be drug tested before receiving tax payer money?

 

[lashicoN]

I agree with this, though I wish the government would stop worrying about what I ingest.

Me too, but they're hooked on power worse than people are hooked on meth. We need to put the government in rehab.

Anyone want to lay out a ten step Constitutional Republic recovery program?

 

[Bunnykid68]

Do politicians and judges have to be drug tested before receiving tax payer money?

Of course not, they write laws for us common folk.

 

[lashicoN]

I meant drug testing for welfare, but why not for unemployment? You had to pass a drug test to keep the job, so if you want to keep getting unemployment why not keep the drug testing along with it.

Oh, because it's your money. "Use it when you need it!"

Don't companies test for drugs to make sure their employees aren't driving around lifts or operating heavy machinery while they get high? I don't think you risk hurting any of your previous co-workers from your home when you're unemployed and getting high.

Or do companies drug test because drugs are bad and we need big daddy corporation and big mommy government to remind us at every turn?

 

[dross]

Oh, because it's your money. "Use it when you need it!"

Don't companies test for drugs to make sure their employees aren't driving around lifts or operating heavy machinery while they get high? I don't think you risk hurting any of your previous co-workers from your home when you're unemployed and getting high.

Or do companies drug test because drugs are bad and we need big daddy corporation and big mommy government to remind us at every turn?

Also, private companies are, well, private. They can test or not test, because the exchange is voluntary. Unemployment insurance money is taken by force.

I've never really understood the machinery argument because the drug test doesn't show if you're high right now, or any time on the job. You could have just come back from two weeks in Jamaica where you only operated a beach lounger.

On the other hand you can operate all the machinery you want with a nasty hangover and never get busted for anything. Just never made practical sense to me.

 

[Bunnykid68]

If its my money, why can I not get it back since I no longer qualify for unemployment since I have worked for myself for twenty years. I never collected unemployment a day in my life. Who is using that money that was collected on my behalf?

 

[Benny]

"Leising: House Bill Encouraging Drug-Free Lifestyle for Unemployment Applicants Garners Key Senate Support"

Unemployment isn't the same thing as welfare. The working class pays into unemployment and draw from it when they're laid off. Shouldn't the working class get to use fun drugs on their off time while drawing the money that they paid into unemployment without having to take a drug test...to get their own money back out?

Drug test for welfare, neat-o. It would probably save some money, but I don't agree to testing for unemployment checks.

This.

It's complete bull**** that they would go after people drawing unemployment(you know, the people actually WORKING that got laid off) before the leaches(the able ones who just refuse to work) drawing welfare.

 

[Bunnykid68]

This.

It's complete bull**** that they would go after people drawing unemployment(you know, the people actually WORKING that got laid off) before the leaches(the able ones who just refuse to work) drawing welfare.

I do agree with this

 

[dross]

If its my money, why can I not get it back since I no longer qualify for unemployment since I have worked for myself for twenty years. I never collected unemployment a day in my life. Who is using that money that was collected on my behalf?

It paid for insurance premiums, it wasn't saved in a fund.

 

[Bunnykid68]

It paid for insurance premiums, it wasn't saved in a fund.

I know, I was just making a point about those complaining they should just get their unemployment and not have to take a drug test. It isn't their money.

 

[dross]

I know, I was just making a point about those complaining they should just get their unemployment and not have to take a drug test. It isn't their money.

It kind of is their money, as the premium came out of their compensation.