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Southerners Are Dumb/Unskilled
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gunman41mag
Shooter
I didn't say MY union didn't contribute I said I DON'T If other people are foolish enough to contribute their money so be it. It doesn't change the fact the union can not contribute your money unless you sign up for it and have money withheld from your check for that purpose.
What is this no show-no call you speak of, I've told the lead man if some one doesn't show up to work, call them & find out what is wrong, If they can't get a hold of the worker, then a SICK DAY will be issued BUT NEVER GIVE a WORK a NO-SHOW NO CALL cause they can be fired
Perhaps that was thought in purple?
I also have to carry **** on a boar worthless slugs. For God's sake I got an apprentice 5 years ago that said he was "allergic to metal" ......the trade is ironworker.The UNION make sure the UNION MEMBER get the rightful PAY & BENEFITS the hard working union member deserves{BTW I' the UNION REP at my job}
gunman41mag
Shooter
NO purple, cause I wasn't kidding. Since I've been a UNION REP. I've only lost one union worker, he was fired for abusing WORKMAN'S COMP, but we are trying to get his job back
And cut!
So, someone who doesn't show on time and doesn't call is not reported as such.
The union is fighting to bring back an employee who defrauded the company and the state.
And there's a question why many people think bad things about unions?
gunman41mag
Shooter
What ever happened to INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY, The UNION will take his case to arbitration, I think we'll win
What is this no show-no call you speak of, I've told the lead man if some one doesn't show up to work, call them & find out what is wrong, If they can't get a hold of the worker, then a SICK DAY will be issued BUT NEVER GIVE a WORK a NO-SHOW NO CALL cause they can be fired
At my company a "No-call No-Show" is when the worker dosn't show up for work and doesn't offer a reason why or notice.
No-call No-show is a big deal at my workplace. Because the supervisor will usually spend most of the day trying to reach the working to make sure everything is ok. One of the shift leaders on the other side of the building drove to the worker's house to find that the woman had a stroke in her car in the driveway while waiting for the car to warm up. Family and medical emergency's are understood.
But if some just doesn't show because they don't feel like it and they don't give notice. It usually results in termination.
And as a favor gunman41mag. Could you please stop capitalizing random words in your posts for emphasis? it is very distracting.
gunman41mag
Shooter
Who the hell is going to no show-no call is it wasn't an emergency ???
people who are irresponsible, Lazy, or unable to prioritize.
The kind of people you don't to work with
steveh_131
Grandmaster
So I will ask you again:
Why give them your money and get it back later in the form of a pension instead of just keeping your own money and putting it in a savings account?
steveh_131
Grandmaster
What ever happened to INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY, The UNION will take his case to arbitration, I think we'll win
What ever happened to the right to fire a crappy employee?
We're all aware that you are enjoying the benefits of taking things from your employer that you are in no way entitled to or even deserving of. This is the point of the modern union. Telling us of your exploits is not enough to convince any of us of the validity of this system or of our government's support of it.
To All,
I will start by saying that I have never worked for a union. My mother has worked for several. She would return home when I was younger and tell stories about the horrible abuse that union workers would perpetrate on the company. One example would be a 45 minute bathroom break. The other would be a janitor who threatened to kill a manager that told him to do his job. The janitor was simply moved to another department.
Needless to say I was very anti union.
However, since I have aged and thought about things I find myself thinking it was management that was lazy. Every union contract, no matter what, will have rules for firing an employee. This may include a dozen hoops to jump through, but IF management would get off its butt and jump through the hoops - the unions hands were tied. There would be nothing they could do.
A friend of mine worked for four (4) steel mills - all union. He told stories that in two (2) of the mills the union was putting the company out of business, yet in the other two (2) the union was saving the company from idiot managers.
Who is right? Is a union good or bad? I think the only honest answer is, "it depends..."
The overall negative of a union is: sometimes (often?) defending a useless worker from just termination. This does happen and no denying it. BUT I will revert to: the union can't stop squat IF management jumps through all the hoops in the contract and fires the worker per the contract. Lazy management? In my opinion, yes.
I think that if we all step down from our soapboxes and think for a moment all of our experiences are anecdotal. There are thousands of union shops all across the country. Any union worker has worked in far less than 1% of them, so no matter what their views, they are limited to an extremely small fraction.
On the opposite side there are thousands of nonunion shops all across the country. Any nonunion worker has worked in far less than 1% of them, so not matter what their views, they are also limited to an extremely small fraction.
The same goes for someone who has worked both union and nonunion.
None of us wants to see abuse, either by the employee or the employer. I did a little searching and came up with what I thought were a few examples, by the same company, of employer abuse. By the way, the employer is almost exclusively nonunion - if not entirely!
Workers Assail Night Lock-Ins By Wal-Mart - NYTimes.com
Wal-Mart Managers Locked Employees in Stores, Plaintiff Says - Bloomberg
I think that these examples show the positive side that unions can provide: putting the employee on near equal footing to the employer.
There are numerous occasions all across the country where companies can abuse employees, either in large ways or most often small ways. Most of the time employees do NOT have the resources to fight abuse, they are simply fired and cannot fight back or put up with such abuse until they find another job.
I believe that each case is unique. In some the union pushes for too much and management caves in too easily. In others the company abuses employees who have no real recourse but to suffer or leave.
Now some may say, "Well the employee shouldn't be on equal footing. The company is the one supplying the job and the company needs to make money OR everyone is out!" This is true, to a point.
Let's presume that I, Doug, start my own company. I take all the risk. I put up the seed money. I work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week. I grow my company from just me to 3,000 employees. It is my company, right? I can do what I want, right? After all, if it weren't for me starting the company 3,000 people wouldn't have a job, would they?
Let's think about it though... Did I personally do all the invoicing? NO. Did I personally make every widget? NO. Did I personally maintain the machines so they could function? NO. Did I personally answer every phone call into my company? NO.
In short, I provided the vision and beginning of the company - BUT it was the hard work of the thousands of employees who made it what it is today, not just me. Now I certainly don't think that I should be diminished due to the work of the employees, after all I did start the ball rolling. Heck, you could say I invented the ball to begin rolling in the first place. HOWEVER, you cannot also diminish the workers who helped grow the ball and bring the company into the greatness that it can be. The company would not exist without the employee who does great work making the company better than it was.
This then is the problem with many American companies - the perceived conflict between company and worker. Workers are not just assets to be used, they are the very dirt, fertilizer, and care that grows the company from seed to great tree! Without employees every company would be a one (1) man shop - forever!
Now I will share a story about how companies and employees should get along. Many years ago my cousin died in a car accident between Poe and Decatur. He was coming home late at night and was killed instantly. My cousin had been born on a farm, never attended college, and worked in a factory. He was a hard worker who had a wife and child. He wasn't very worldly. Most of his family was white, middle class. Most of his friends were white, middle class.
At his funeral in the cemetery I noticed four (4) or five (5) brand new shiny black Lexus's. My cousin knew people with Ford pick ups, not fancy foreign cars. After noticing the cars I noticed a group of about 14 Japanese men standing around in suits. Now I KNOW my cousin did not hang around with these gentlemen, so I inquired as to their presence from my uncle. "They are the management from your cousins company", he told me, "they shut down the factory for a day of mourning and came here to show their respects." The factory had over 100 employees.
I believe that when American companies and American workers can come to a mutual respect for each other instead of constantly fighting, we will have done away with the need for unions. Alas, such is not yet the day.
Regards,
Doug
I will start by saying that I have never worked for a union. My mother has worked for several. She would return home when I was younger and tell stories about the horrible abuse that union workers would perpetrate on the company. One example would be a 45 minute bathroom break. The other would be a janitor who threatened to kill a manager that told him to do his job. The janitor was simply moved to another department.
Needless to say I was very anti union.
However, since I have aged and thought about things I find myself thinking it was management that was lazy. Every union contract, no matter what, will have rules for firing an employee. This may include a dozen hoops to jump through, but IF management would get off its butt and jump through the hoops - the unions hands were tied. There would be nothing they could do.
A friend of mine worked for four (4) steel mills - all union. He told stories that in two (2) of the mills the union was putting the company out of business, yet in the other two (2) the union was saving the company from idiot managers.
Who is right? Is a union good or bad? I think the only honest answer is, "it depends..."
The overall negative of a union is: sometimes (often?) defending a useless worker from just termination. This does happen and no denying it. BUT I will revert to: the union can't stop squat IF management jumps through all the hoops in the contract and fires the worker per the contract. Lazy management? In my opinion, yes.
I think that if we all step down from our soapboxes and think for a moment all of our experiences are anecdotal. There are thousands of union shops all across the country. Any union worker has worked in far less than 1% of them, so no matter what their views, they are limited to an extremely small fraction.
On the opposite side there are thousands of nonunion shops all across the country. Any nonunion worker has worked in far less than 1% of them, so not matter what their views, they are also limited to an extremely small fraction.
The same goes for someone who has worked both union and nonunion.
None of us wants to see abuse, either by the employee or the employer. I did a little searching and came up with what I thought were a few examples, by the same company, of employer abuse. By the way, the employer is almost exclusively nonunion - if not entirely!
Workers Assail Night Lock-Ins By Wal-Mart - NYTimes.com
Wal-Mart Managers Locked Employees in Stores, Plaintiff Says - Bloomberg
I think that these examples show the positive side that unions can provide: putting the employee on near equal footing to the employer.
There are numerous occasions all across the country where companies can abuse employees, either in large ways or most often small ways. Most of the time employees do NOT have the resources to fight abuse, they are simply fired and cannot fight back or put up with such abuse until they find another job.
I believe that each case is unique. In some the union pushes for too much and management caves in too easily. In others the company abuses employees who have no real recourse but to suffer or leave.
Now some may say, "Well the employee shouldn't be on equal footing. The company is the one supplying the job and the company needs to make money OR everyone is out!" This is true, to a point.
Let's presume that I, Doug, start my own company. I take all the risk. I put up the seed money. I work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week. I grow my company from just me to 3,000 employees. It is my company, right? I can do what I want, right? After all, if it weren't for me starting the company 3,000 people wouldn't have a job, would they?
Let's think about it though... Did I personally do all the invoicing? NO. Did I personally make every widget? NO. Did I personally maintain the machines so they could function? NO. Did I personally answer every phone call into my company? NO.
In short, I provided the vision and beginning of the company - BUT it was the hard work of the thousands of employees who made it what it is today, not just me. Now I certainly don't think that I should be diminished due to the work of the employees, after all I did start the ball rolling. Heck, you could say I invented the ball to begin rolling in the first place. HOWEVER, you cannot also diminish the workers who helped grow the ball and bring the company into the greatness that it can be. The company would not exist without the employee who does great work making the company better than it was.
This then is the problem with many American companies - the perceived conflict between company and worker. Workers are not just assets to be used, they are the very dirt, fertilizer, and care that grows the company from seed to great tree! Without employees every company would be a one (1) man shop - forever!
Now I will share a story about how companies and employees should get along. Many years ago my cousin died in a car accident between Poe and Decatur. He was coming home late at night and was killed instantly. My cousin had been born on a farm, never attended college, and worked in a factory. He was a hard worker who had a wife and child. He wasn't very worldly. Most of his family was white, middle class. Most of his friends were white, middle class.
At his funeral in the cemetery I noticed four (4) or five (5) brand new shiny black Lexus's. My cousin knew people with Ford pick ups, not fancy foreign cars. After noticing the cars I noticed a group of about 14 Japanese men standing around in suits. Now I KNOW my cousin did not hang around with these gentlemen, so I inquired as to their presence from my uncle. "They are the management from your cousins company", he told me, "they shut down the factory for a day of mourning and came here to show their respects." The factory had over 100 employees.
I believe that when American companies and American workers can come to a mutual respect for each other instead of constantly fighting, we will have done away with the need for unions. Alas, such is not yet the day.
Regards,
Doug
He's doing the same thing many others do even to us in the Midwest: painting them as dumb hicks so that their protests are seen as less intelligent and given less credence. After all, why bother going through facts and reasonable arguments and all that garbage when you can just point at your opponents and destroy their credibility with a few jokes about their double-wides?
I don't think so. I've known some very talented, skilled and cool indiv. from the South. Then I've worked with some that treat talented skilled people like sh**.
Before my semi-retirement, I traveled the country except for the New England states, using temporary laborers to assist in erecting a 60'X75' mobile retail store. There were certain race locations that I always dreaded going to because the quality of the labor was never very good. Only one of these was in a southern state (near Atlanta). The ones I dreaded the most were Joliet, IL, Englishtown, NJ, and Sonoma, CA.
Granted my experience is purely anecdotal and I did not stop in all of the southern states, but for the most part, the guys I worked with were hard working and intelligent enough to take instruction well, which made all of our jobs much easier.
It is a slower, more deliberate culture in the South, but I would not in any way construe that to be dumb or lazy.
Granted my experience is purely anecdotal and I did not stop in all of the southern states, but for the most part, the guys I worked with were hard working and intelligent enough to take instruction well, which made all of our jobs much easier.
It is a slower, more deliberate culture in the South, but I would not in any way construe that to be dumb or lazy.
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