Solution to Gay Marriage issue

[IndyDave1776]

I say if gay couples want to be as miserable as straight married couples, let them...except for the fact that most gay couples I've known have seemed to be much better at picking a partner than the majority of straight couples I've known.

Do you suppose that this may have something to do with the absence of any legal framework for separating (i.e., not having the judge as a referee) causing a greater sense of diligence in picking a partner, much like straight couples were more careful before the introduction of the no-fault divorce?

 

[Roadie]

I dunno why it's such a big deal. As far as I can figure out, the problem people have with gay marriage is not realizing that religious marriage and legal marriage are two different things. Generally when people get married, they actually do it in two ways, once in the form of a marriage license to get the legal benefits and again in their house of worship under their deity(ies). People do one and not the other all the time. Most of the gays are fighting for the legal rights.

If two dudes or two chicks want to legally bind themselves to each other, what's the big deal?

The only "big deal" that I personally see with it would be if churches are forced to go against their beliefs and have to marry gay couples if they choose not to.

The "church" get blamed for being anti gay marriage, but it is the State and Federal Governments that are holding onto the control.

 

[tv1217]

That's not what it's about, I dunno where people get the impression that it's going to force a church to do that.

 

[level.eleven]

This whole, Black's Law Dictionary is up for grabs if gays marry is certainly an angle I haven't heard before.

Luckily for the rest of us, especially women, concubines, harems, and slaves, the definition of marriage has changed over time.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

Yeah, sorta like ...

... Jerry Sandusky forcing young boys to bend over and learn to like his beliefs about sex. After all, he did say "I love you" when he'd finished pumping --- er "pimping". Some things are just WRONG. Packing the fudge is one of them. BTW, under how many laws and jurisdictions is Sandusky being prosecuted? IMHO.

The better solution is people mind their own business and stop forcing their beliefs on others.

 

[IndyGal65]

... Jerry Sandusky forcing young boys to bend over and learn to like his beliefs about sex. After all, he did say "I love you" when he'd finished pumping --- er "pimping". Some things are just WRONG. Packing the fudge is one of them. BTW, under how many laws and jurisdictions is Sandusky being prosecuted? IMHO.

Wow, so now you're comparing gays to pedophiles, which are NOT the same thing. Yeah I know, if us crazy gays are allowed to marry, then people will start marrying goats, stop signs, and their bathtubs.

 

[sepe]

Do you suppose that this may have something to do with the absence of any legal framework for separating (i.e., not having the judge as a referee) causing a greater sense of diligence in picking a partner, much like straight couples were more careful before the introduction of the no-fault divorce?

It possibly might but with the couples (gay and straight) that I know with the straight couples being much more miserable has everything to do with lack of education, lack of self esteem, and letting family and friends play far too much into their relationships/personal lives.

 

[Roadie]

That's not what it's about, I dunno where people get the impression that it's going to force a church to do that.

Because politicians and pundits have suggested that churches that don't comply should get their tax exempt status revoked?

For the record, I didn't say it would happen, I said that is the only problem I personally would have with it..

 

[IndyDave1776]

This whole, Black's Law Dictionary is up for grabs if gays marry is certainly an angle I haven't heard before.

Luckily for the rest of us, especially women, concubines, harems, and slaves, the definition of marriage has changed over time.

1. You must be very young if you missed the effort to redefine 'militia' rendering the Second Amendment irrelevant to the people and very sheltered if you missed the repetitive redefinition of tax/penalty in the ObamaCare fiasco in court. Please note the distinction between the practical implications and the redefinition of a word.

2. Concubines and slaves have never been included within the confines of marriage. Screwing someone (free or slave) and being married are two entirely different things. If by 'harems' you refer to polygamy and not to a collection of concubines or slaves, this has never been tolerated in the United States. If you doubt this, you may wish to review the reasons why Joseph Smith died and the Mormons relocated to the most god-forsaken middle of nowhere they could find. In history in general, the only times in which polygamy became prevalent were those in which the male population had been significantly reduced relative to the female population as in the case of prolonged war. In no case I have encountered in world history has marriage ever included homosexual relationships. We didn't address civil rights in the racial sense by passing legislation declaring everyone to be white, and likewise, redefining something that has been stable in meaning throughout our history is not the answer here, not to mention the general hazards of redefinition which, once again, have already been tried.

 

[Roadie]

... Jerry Sandusky forcing young boys to bend over and learn to like his beliefs about sex. After all, he did say "I love you" when he'd finished pumping --- er "pimping". Some things are just WRONG. Packing the fudge is one of them. BTW, under how many laws and jurisdictions is Sandusky being prosecuted? IMHO.

Wow, so now you're comparing gays to pedophiles, which are NOT the same thing. Yeah I know, if us crazy gays are allowed to marry, then people will start marrying goats, stop signs, and their bathtubs.

I gotta go with IndyGal on this one.. Comparing molesting minors to what happens between consenting adults is apples to handgrenades..

 

[IndyDave1776]

... Jerry Sandusky forcing young boys to bend over and learn to like his beliefs about sex. After all, he did say "I love you" when he'd finished pumping --- er "pimping". Some things are just WRONG. Packing the fudge is one of them. BTW, under how many laws and jurisdictions is Sandusky being prosecuted? IMHO.

I gotta go with IndyGal on this one.. Comparing molesting minors to what happens between consenting adults is apples to handgrenades..

Agreed. The gays with whom I have been acquainted share my disdain for pedophiles and my view on how to properly correct them.

 

[Yup!]

Where do we draw the line?

Can a mother marry her adult son?
Can a father marry his adult daughter?
Can a man marry two women if he loves them both?

 

[Pooty22]

Here the way I see this issue.

Liberals use government to oppress gun ownership. Conservatives use government to oppress freedom of religion. Every person I know who is anti-gay-marriage is that way because of their religion. Christians and other anti-gay religions can't bear the thought of gay couples getting married because, for some reason, they think marriage is a "sacred" thing. In early European culture, you only went to the church to get the marriage blessed. But the actual marriage part was over with when you and your partner said, "Hey we're married now."

Basically, stop trying to tell people how to live their lives. I look forward to the day when we can look back on this issue much like we now look back at the civil rights movement, and realize just how stupid it really was

 

[CathyInBlue]

What I find interesting about those who scream about how gay marriage is being forced into their churches, which tramples their rights to the free exercise of religion, when there IS a church, of some description, that is willing to perform weddings for gay couples, they have no trouble whatsoever in trampling the rights to free exercise of that religion, as if if it isn't a Christian marriage of their denomination, then it's just not to be gifted the term marriage. All those Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Pagans, all of their marriages aren't "godly", therefore our government can't recognize them because that would affect my religion.

 

[Yup!]

The best argument I've heard against protecting the sanctity of marriage is the one where it says something along the lines of Britney spears was married for a day, and all the other failed marriages, and the mockery of marriage (generally by Hollywood stars)

The fact is marriage is not as sacred as it once was.

 

[jd4320t]

If you spend any time on here you will quickly realize that a segment of the ingo poplation wants the govt to leave them alone until its something they dont like or agree with. Funny how that works.

I am not talking about the government I'm talking about the people.

 

[IndyGal65]

Where do we draw the line?

Can a mother marry her adult son?
Can a father marry his adult daughter?
Can a man marry two women if he loves them both?

Seriously??

 

[Yup!]

Seriously??

Yes, seriously.

If later down the road, two consenting adults want to marry, why would we not allow it?

 

[Pooty22]

Where do we draw the line?

Can a mother marry her adult son?
Can a father marry his adult daughter?
Can a man marry two women if he loves them both?

Again, arguing completely different points. Incest and polygamy are incomparable to gay rights

 

[IndyDave1776]

Where do we draw the line?

Can a mother marry her adult son?
Can a father marry his adult daughter?
Can a man marry two women if he loves them both?

Seriously??

OK, let me preface by saying that this is a completely open-ended question with absolutely no sarcasm intended. If we are to expunge the religious foundation upon which the laws regarding marriage rest, we necessarily must replace that foundation. How do we do it? How do we draw the line (if any) on what combinations we are going to tolerate and how do we justify what we will and will not accept?