Soldiers used to patrol school campuses in Killeen, Texas

[rambone]

I think that we should have everyone required to be either police reserves, National Guard or volunteer fire fighters.

And what do you think should happen to people who refuse? Not everyone wants to wear uniforms and follow orders.

 

[Trooper]

And what do you think should happen to people who refuse? Not everyone wants to wear uniforms and follow orders.

We would have a lot less idiots afraid of guns if they were forced to serve. And most young men do not like the idea of being ordered around. That is part of being a young man.

BTW, as you gain rank you tend to give orders, not take them. Plus, as many officers have learned the hard way, it is not wise to try to order NCOs around. Far better to lead them.

In fact the military tends to excell at leading people rather than merely ordering them (being a bully). If you have 50 young men, all armed with full automatic weapons, do you think that can bully them with mere orders? Or would it not be that you learn to lead them?

A good leader earns the respect of those who follow him.

 

[steveh_131]

We would have a lot less idiots afraid of guns if they were forced to serve. And most young men do not like the idea of being ordered around. That is part of being a young man.

BTW, as you gain rank you tend to give orders, not take them. Plus, as many officers have learned the hard way, it is not wise to try to order NCOs around. Far better to lead them.

In fact the military tends to excell at leading people rather than merely ordering them (being a bully). If you have 50 young men, all armed with full automatic weapons, do you think that can bully them with mere orders? Or would it not be that you learn to lead them?

A good leader earns the respect of those who follow him.

Cool story, bro.

Would you like to answer the actual question now?

 

[Trooper]

Cool story, bro.

Would you like to answer the actual question now?

Again, the answer is that we would have a lot less people afraid of guns if they had to serve in uniform. Especially journalists.

And so what if some young idiot does not like to be ordered around.

Again, we tend to lead, not just order (bully). More like to have a civilians pushing his weight around than those in the military.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I think that we should have everyone required to be either police reserves, National Guard or volunteer fire fighters. Get rid of the professionals and have the citizens defend their own communities. In fact it should be state law that every police and fire department be required to have a reserve force of part time people.

And what do you think should happen to people who refuse? Not everyone wants to wear uniforms and follow orders.

What about splitting the difference? We require physical education in high school which revolved around sports that I greeted with a response ranging from indifference to outright hostility. What about incorporating the aforementioned useful skills into that curriculum? Have marksmanship, first aid, extinguishing fires, and some basic law and law enforcement part of the educational experience. Allow the relevant departments/organizations to offer information about joining later as regular members or reserves if one so chooses. It will teach useful skills (unlike playing la cross), give the students a better understanding of good citizenship, foster a better understanding of people already serving in those professions, and rescue the bored from playing badminton.

The only argument to the contrary would stem from the propaganda value, but this would be far from teaching cowering as a response to intimidation as is the primary concern with armed security in schools.

I hadn't thought about this previously, so I am not sure that I am sold on the idea, but it could possibly work without placing a burden on anyone to do anything they prefer not doing, like conscription into the Guard, PD, or FD.

 

[steveh_131]

Again, the answer is that we would have a lot less people afraid of guns if they had to serve in uniform.

His question was: "And what do you think should happen to people who refuse?"

So? You're advocating that we force everyone to join the armed forces. This would have to carry some sort of penalty for anyone who refuses, right? What would your penalty be?

 

[ATOMonkey]

I think you already know what Nationalists do with dissenters.

 

[Trooper]

His question was: "And what do you think should happen to people who refuse?"

So? You're advocating that we force everyone to join the armed forces. This would have to carry some sort of penalty for anyone who refuses, right? What would your penalty be?

Lets say that we had an eight year obligation which would be served in the Guard unless you volunteered to go active duty (eight years is the current minimum obligation which can be served active, reserves or IRR). If you would object to service then why not require you to live outside the US for that 8 years.

BTW, only 5% of the kids can meet military standards. Minimum standards is a high diploma (or GED with 2 yrs of college), be physically fit (meet minimum PT standards and not be obese), not be mentally ill or have a criminal record. As it stands, 74% of the young (17 to 34) can never be enlisted as they are that screwed up.

 

[steveh_131]

Lets say that we had an eight year obligation which would be served in the Guard unless you volunteered to go active duty (eight years is the current minimum obligation which can be served active, reserves or IRR). If you would object to service then why not require you to live outside the US for that 8 years.

So if my son chooses not to serve when he is of age, you would deport him for 8 years?

 

[Ted]

The Guard is not "military" in the federal sense.......

That is why the uniforms don't identify the Guard as U.S. Army. Right?

 

[level.eleven]

So if my son chooses not to serve when he is of age, you would deport him for 8 years?

He will hate you anyway. Why do you care?

 

[Trooper]

So if my son chooses not to serve when he is of age, you would deport him for 8 years?

Well he could be declared as unfit to serve due to being stupid, fat or mentally ill.

 

[steveh_131]

Well he could be declared as unfit to serve due to being stupid, fat or mentally ill.

Well at least we can all be clear where, exactly, you stand.

Far, far away from liberty.

 

[Trooper]

Well at least we can all be clear where, exactly, you stand.

Far, far away from liberty.

Liberty requires that we serve. We have a duty to the constitution to serve. That also means that at some point in your life you should run for public office as a potential leader.

The real problem is not that you would be forced to serve but rather than you are so unfit to serve that you disgrace the very principles that this country was founded on.

 

[rambone]

Liberty requires that we serve.

I believe the expression is, "Freedom is Slavery."
Do you remember the rest?

 

[Trooper]

Yes, Freedom is Slavery.
Do you remember the rest?

You so resent being required to do something that you see it as slavery rather than service. Good thing that you do not want to serve. We would have kicked you out for being an idiot.

Too bad that we do not require people to earn their freedom every generation. For the most part most Americans do not deserve the freedom that they have. In most cases they are treating freedom like it is crap. What comes with no price has no value.

Those who serve are living sacrifices. Our blood atones for your sins. And we die because you are screwed up.

 

[hornadylnl]

You so resent being required to do something that you see it as slavery rather than service. Good thing that you do not want to serve. We would have kicked you out for being an idiot.

Too bad that we do not require people to earn their freedom every generation. For the most part most Americans do not deserve the freedom that they have. In most cases they are treating freedom like it is crap. What comes with no price has no value.

Those who serve are living sacrifices. Our blood atones for your sins. And we die because you are screwed up.

Jesus, is that you?

 

[Trooper]

Jesus, is that you?

You seem to have forgotten the words of John Brown as he was led off to be hanged for insurgention at Harpers Ferry. He prophesied that for the sin of slavery that the blood of hundreds of thousands would be required in atonement. The death toll of the Civil War was over half a million, what he foretold.

When society becomes screwed up, soldier, Marines, even police officers die in greater numbers. Nature requires blood atonement for being screwed up.

A life of service to country and community is a living sacrifice. Thus the warrior is a more noble individual.

And given how screwed up most Americans are today (20% of adults can not read or write, obesity, drug abuse, divorce) with soldiers being very well educated (by the time most soldiers are in five years they have at least 2 years of college compared to one out of three civilians who have dropped out of high school), being in better physical condition, having more self discipline than most civilians, why shouldn't the warrior be seen as superior (the left sees themselves as super mere because they went to college)? Not superior in terms of being a ruler but like an athlete can be superior due to being able to perform at levels that most can not.

Thus the warrior is more noble when compared to the POS that most civilians are.

 

[steveh_131]

Take notes, folks. We are in the presence of an actual tyrant.

He is more noble than us. He is smarter than us. He knows what's best for us. We owe him everything.

We must serve him as the price for our 'freedom'.

 

[level.eleven]

You seem to have forgotten the words of John Brown as he was led off to be hanged for insurgention at Harpers Ferry. He prophesied that for the sin of slavery that the blood of hundreds of thousands would be required in atonement. The death toll of the Civil War was over half a million, what he foretold.

When society becomes screwed up, soldier, Marines, even police officers die in greater numbers. Nature requires blood atonement for being screwed up.

A life of service to country and community is a living sacrifice. Thus the warrior is a more noble individual.

And given how screwed up most Americans are today (20% of adults can not read or write, obesity, drug abuse, divorce) with soldiers being very well educated (by the time most soldiers are in five years they have at least 2 years of college compared to one out of three civilians who have dropped out of high school), being in better physical condition, having more self discipline than most civilians, why shouldn't the warrior be seen as superior (the left sees themselves as super mere because they went to college)? Not superior in terms of being a ruler but like an athlete can be superior due to being able to perform at levels that most can not.

Thus the warrior is more noble when compared to the POS that most civilians are.

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