Snake ID help? Greenwood

[NHT3]

Found this on my neighbor's front porch, can someone ID it for me. It was about 12" long
Thanks

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[bobbittle]

Black rat snake. Probably just recently hatched.

Hopefully it didn't get killed. Harmless. Beneficial.

 

[JokerGirl]

It appears to be a Northern Water Snake, but I'm not the best on my Indiana natives. I do know it's not a Copperhead, and Cottonmouths are pretty rare around here, and those are our only two truly venomous species.

 

[JokerGirl]

Black rat snake. Probably just recently hatched.

Hopefully it didn't get killed. Harmless. Beneficial.

Or that

 

[Mr Evilwrench]

Still have it? Wait, Mrs E says no snakes. I still want to breed rattlesnakes as food. Spoilsport.

 

[bobbittle]

It appears to be a Northern Water Snake, but I'm not the best on my Indiana natives. I do know it's not a Copperhead, and Cottonmouths are pretty rare around here, and those are our only two truly venomous species.

We also have 2 species of rattlesnake native to Indiana. The Eastern Diamondback and the Timber.

 

[mdmayo]

We do have the Massaugua Rattler in the NE portion of the state. An endangered highly venemous viper that only gets as big as your snake on the porch. However, that isn't one...

 

[bobbittle]

We do have the Missaugua Rattler in the NE portion of the state. An endangered highly venemous viper that only gets as big as your snake on the porch. However, that isn't one...

Oops....

Got the E. Diamondback confused with the E. Massasauga.

They (can) reach sizes considerably bigger (about 3.5ft) than the snake pictured, and would be much fuller-bodied than the skinny little black rat hatchling.

 

[Hoosier Cowboy]

Only good snake is a dead one!

 

[Deadly Z Driver]

That is a Milk Snake.

 

[JokerGirl]

We also have 2 species of rattlesnake native to Indiana. The Eastern Diamondback and the Timber.

Oops....

Got the E. Diamondback confused with the E. Massasauga.

They (can) reach sizes considerably bigger (about 3.5ft) than the snake pictured, and would be much fuller-bodied than the skinny little black rat hatchling.

Very true, but they are both so very uncommon that the likelihood of ever encountering one, especially on a porch, is pretty low.

 

[bobbittle]

Very true, but they are both so very uncommon that the likelihood of ever encountering one, especially on a porch, is pretty low.

Indeed.

I've seen a few Timbers in Brown County, but I was looking for them.

 

[Deadly Z Driver]

The young snakes are always harder to ID I say Eastern Milk Snake based on the "Y" patten near its head. Could be black rat/black racer/king snake.

 

[bobbittle]

The young snakes are always harder to ID I say Eastern Milk Snake based on the "Y" patten near its head. Could be black rat/black racer/king snake.

I don't think it's an Eastern Milk, but you're right, the juveniles are harder to ID. Here's a picture of a juv E. Milk Snake.

File:Autumn milksnake.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CQB]

Based on head shape and head markings (Y on the neck, and band across the nose) My vote is King snake.

 

[boostedtwo]

nasty things, I hate snakes!

 

[KJQ6945]

Found this on my neighbor's front porch, can someone ID it for me. It was about 12" long
Thanks

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100% juvenile black rat snake.

Here is another.

That is last years hatchling. We are approaching mating time now. Eggs will be laid mid summer, eggs hatch August to October. It's emaciated from hibernation. Notice how it's skin seems baggy.

Two snake threads in the same night! Woo hoo!

 

[Hkindiana]

Beautiful thing, I love snakes.

 

[UncleMike]

Oops....

Got the E. Diamondback confused with the E. Massasauga.

They (can) reach sizes considerably bigger (about 3.5ft) than the snake pictured, and would be much fuller-bodied than the skinny little black rat hatchling.

There have been a couple of Massasauga bite incidents at Pokagon State Park and at least one at Mongo in the Pigeon River Preserve in recent years.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...are_poisonous_snake_at_mongo_camp_ground.html

 

[adws943]

Looks like a milk snake? Why is it not a dead snake?