I was at Class III sales in New Carlisle the other day. I was talking to Ben, the guy behind the counter. As we were talking he pulled up a bucket of "live" ammo that had apparently been Fail To Fire at their indoor range. As he was looking through it he pulled up so 38 Special reloads that were loaded BACKWORDS!!! To top it off the guy had drilled out the center trying to make his own hollow points. There was like 25 of these rounds in the bucket. Aparently he tried to fire these custom loads and found that they don't work so well, and he pitched the rest.