Sanders: 'We have got to apologize for slavery

[BugI02]

A tool in anyone's hands. A hammer is a tool. Period. In a carpenters hands it is a constructive tool. In a murderer's hands it is a weapon. In my 5 year old's hands, it is a tool of destruction. In my hands it is a tool for smashing thumbs. Use does not change nature.

Incidentally, mammon, or mammonas in the Greek, is not money. It is treasure, or riches personified. Once you live your life for wealth, in other words, you have made an idol out of riches, thus personifying it in a sense. It is a more complicated term than just money.

I am aware of the more expansive meaning of mammon, although I cannot read greek. Was referencing more a tool in the hands of the devil and thus a snare for those who devote their lives to seeking it.

 

[Woobie]

I am aware of the more expansive meaning of mammon, although I cannot read greek. Was referencing more a tool in the hands of the devil and thus a snare for those who devote their lives to seeking it.

Well, in that, we agree. I'm sorry if I insulted your intelligence. A lot of people oversimplify that. I know I only learned that in the last few years.

 

[evsnova74]

What percentage of whites even owned slaves? When I tried to look it up the number was so low that I was skeptical of its accuracy.

 

[wagyu52]

What percentage of whites even owned slaves? When I tried to look it up the number was so low that I was skeptical of its accuracy.

Interesting history here, we may have to go to ansestery.com to figure out who needs to apologize to whom.

Black Slave Owners Civil War Article by Robert M Grooms

http://slaverebellion.org/index.php?page=the-black-slave-owners

 

[Alpo]

I saw this interactive graphic a couple of days/weeks back. It is worthwhile and somewhat surprising. It might reinforce or change your opinions about the slave trade.

Animated interactive of the history of the Atlantic slave trade.

 

[eldirector]

Some of my ancestors rallied AGAINST slavery, and were persecuted for it. Do I get an apology, too?

 

[Alpo]

No. I think that gets an "attaboy".

 

[rhino]

Why should I apologize for slavery? My great grandparents came here in the '20s....

Because . . . reasons.

 

[Woobie]

Some of my ancestors rallied AGAINST slavery, and were persecuted for it. Do I get an apology, too?

That depends on your race.

 

[rhino]

That depends on your race.

. . . and who gets to determine:

1. What race is owed something.
2. What race owes them.
3. What the races really are.
4. What race you are.

 

[Woobie]

. . . and who gets to determine:

1. What race is owed something.
2. What race owes them.
3. What the races really are.
4. What race you are.

1. Liberals make that call
2. White guys
3. Once again, liberals. (They even get to make up races when they need to. "White Hispanic" anybody?)
4. If you're not white you get to self identify. If you are white, you have to check "Evil *******" on the standardized gov't form.

 

[Alpo]

I'm still waiting for my apology letters from Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, Erik the Red and the British Empire.

 

[cce1302]

What percentage of whites even owned slaves? When I tried to look it up the number was so low that I was skeptical of its accuracy.

It doesn't matter. It only matters that they were white. Ergo, all white people are guilty.

 

[BugI02]

What percentage of whites even owned slaves? When I tried to look it up the number was so low that I was skeptical of its accuracy.

Heres a link to a displayed page for the 1860 census (just pre-Civil War), specifically counting slaves.

Slave Census

3,949,557 slave pop. out of total pop. of 31,134,666. ~12.7% or about 1 in 8

 

[wagyu52]

Heres a link to a displayed page for the 1860 census (just pre-Civil War), specifically counting slaves.

Slave Census

3,949,557 slave pop. out of total pop. of 31,134,666. ~12.7% or about 1 in 8

No. He is wanting to know what % of whites owned slaves not the % of slaves in the population. 1.4% of the U.S. white population owned slaves -or- 4.8% of the southern white population owned slaves.

 

[BugI02]

What percentage of whites even owned slaves? When I tried to look it up the number was so low that I was skeptical of its accuracy.

THIS is the quote I responded to. He thought the number he had seen was too low. While the report doesn't give THE number it can help one put sensible limits on the range of possible values

 

[BugI02]

27,185,109 US white in population census. 1.4% of same = 380,592 slave owners (your numbers). 3,949,557 slaves/ 380,592 slave owners = ~ 10 1/3 slaves on average per owner. Then given that result, one asks oneself if the scale of that number seems sensible.

 

[Ericpwp]

I saw this interactive graphic a couple of days/weeks back. It is worthwhile and somewhat surprising. It might reinforce or change your opinions about the slave trade.

Animated interactive of the history of the Atlantic slave trade.

It looks like Brazil has a lot more to apologize about. The US looks like a small reflection of what was happening in the world.

 

[SpiritClump]

Sounds like someone is trying to reach black voters eh?

 

[Ericpwp]

Plus, did the trade end when the Union won, or did it go on in s.america?