I use a barska biometric safe daily and I have never had a problem. I programmed multiple fingers in multiple ways so I never have to worry about a misread, or delayed entry.Anyone use those biometric safes? I've had mine for 6 plus years and use it daily with no problems only thing I've had to do was change the battery.
The fender washers were a very good idea as well. If those lags are sunk deep into old age hardened lumber they are likely anchored very well.
Or reveal your vulnerabilities...
They are defiantly age hardened. I used an 18v impact to drive the lags, after pre drilling, in and it still struggled. Lol. This place was built in the mid 1800's. those logs are as hard as rock.
Yep. Where there's a will and time, there's a way. Make it as difficult as possible and don't make locations obvious if possible.I'd say you are good to go then. But I've seen people anchor lags through the plywood subfloors and then end up staring at the tore up floor where their safe once had been. Not a good situation to find yourself in.
Once I saw a guy come home to a safe that was missing. It had been anchored in place on a solid concrete slab floor. Burgulars used a pickup truck and chain to rip it lose and haul it off. They also destroyed the better portion of his walk out basement wall in doing so. Nothing is 100% fail safe. But the harder you make it for them, the more messy it will get if they try.
You're only fooling yourself if you think that will protect you from a determined thief. A determined thief could have your address within hours even if you're posting from internet other than your own.No vulnerabilities to expose. I have a mean and angry mother in law living next door. What on god's earth would be more of a deterent then that?
My pit bull is a sweetheart compared to her.
also, it's not like I list where I keep this safe. Hell, I don't even list my home city. And I don't post from home so there is no IP address to lead back there. The IP address I post from will lead to a Naval/Marine Corp IP address based out of Norfolk Virginia.
Plus there are added features know in the military as 'security in depth'. IDS, dogs, quality locking systems, guards (nosy mother in law), etc.
You're only fooling yourself if you think that will protect you from a determined thief. A determined thief could have your address within hours even if you're posting from internet other than your own.
Assuming what you said is true if I were a determined thief I now know that I have to watch out for your MIL next door and your pitbull. I know that you're either #1 active duty and not home often or #2 civilian/contractor and most likely work normal hours so I know when you're away. If you've posted pictures of your safe I now know what model you have and what it's vulnerabilities are so I can come with the right tools and a game plan to get in very quickly. If you've done like the op and posted pictures of where it's located I know that I just have to head down the basement stairs and look under there, even if the door-way is masked/concealed I know the safe is there somewhere and I just have to break through the wall. If you've done like the OP and posted the fact that you have a security system I know that I will have to disable that before entering the house.
OPSEC is the ONLY true protection from a determined thief that is trying to target you. Security measures (as this thread is discussing) are the things that protect you from random crime.
The 8 camera Samsung CCTV will also be a problem as I get them coming or going.....
I never said you did. I implied that if you had, I could determine the location of your safe.I never posted a picture of my safe.
I don't have to get around it. I just have to be faster than the response time.The IDS is the biggest deterent. If you can get around that you should be knocking off art musuems. Not my house that has $1500 in weapons retail if you are lucky.
I have a lot to secure. Most importantly my family's "sense of security". And inviting targeted attacks by discussing your security measure on the internet and posting pictures of them as well is stupid.I don't know who you are, but I know a thing or two about security. If you really think it's a serious threat to post security discussion maybe you have more to protect then I do. But bypassing IDS, opening vaults, etc...
What part? Break in to a safe? Break in to a house? Bypass or beat IDS? Target people specifically for guns they know are present? It's done every day all over the world. As a matter of fact, I just read this morning on arfcom safes and security section of a specifically targeted attack on a gun-safe. Homeowner had house broken into a few months ago with some things stolen. Thief goes to jail, gets out on bond and goes straight back to the house with the necessary tools to pry the safe open and get the goods inside. These people were specifically targeted by a common street thug and lost. While they didn't have much in the way of layered security, the thug that defeated it also wasn't very likely a "smart criminal".this isn't the movies and very few people can do the things you are discussing.
Depends how thorough I want to be about it. If I'm a determined criminal and I know you have high-dollar weapons at your house I will likely be willing to invest the time and planning to get them. If that means doing the research to determine what type of alarm system you have then that's what it takes. And it can be determined with the right tools.You have no idea if I have hardwired phone that comes in underground. Cell phone communications. IP based communications. Etc. Way too many variables for this to be as simple as you imply.
The 8 camera Samsung CCTV will also be a problem as I get them coming or going.....
I never said you did. I implied that if you had, I could determine the location of your safe.
I don't have to get around it. I just have to be faster than the response time.
I have a lot to secure. Most importantly my family's "sense of security". And inviting targeted attacks by discussing your security measure on the internet and posting pictures of them as well is stupid.
What part? Break in to a safe? Break in to a house? Bypass or beat IDS? Target people specifically for guns they know are present? It's done every day all over the world. As a matter of fact, I just read this morning on arfcom safes and security section of a specifically targeted attack on a gun-safe. Homeowner had house broken into a few months ago with some things stolen. Thief goes to jail, gets out on bond and goes straight back to the house with the necessary tools to pry the safe open and get the goods inside. These people were specifically targeted by a common street thug and lost. While they didn't have much in the way of layered security, the thug that defeated it also wasn't very likely a "smart criminal".
As far as breaking into safes, even good ones, quickly that happens a lot too. If you have an RSC (most "gun-safes" sold today are RSC's) it doesn't even have a security rating because it's not considered secure enough to measure the break-in time in minutes. If, OTOH, you have a real, commercial TL rated safe that cost you $5k+ you still only have minutes with a smart thief. TL-15 rated safes are rated to withstand 15 minutes of continuous attack with common hand tools (no cutting torch). Have you ever watch a test of a TL-rated safe? I have, and they aren't as robust as you think. All that safe has to do is keep them from getting a hole about the size of a basketball into the safe for 15 minutes. They use grinders, hammers, pry-bars, you name it and most of the tests I've seen have come rather close to the timeline. They've nearly breached the safe at the 15 minute mark. Most alarm companies these days don't even send a unit out right away. And assuming the PD gets the call, it's not top-priority, so if they have other runs they are busy with then your thief gets even more time to try...
Depends how thorough I want to be about it. If I'm a determined criminal and I know you have high-dollar weapons at your house I will likely be willing to invest the time and planning to get them. If that means doing the research to determine what type of alarm system you have then that's what it takes. And it can be determined with the right tools.
Random attacks are just that, random, and they target people of opportunity. Your security system is designed to stop or slow-down random attacks but uneducated thieves looking for their next fix.
Targeted attacks are done with much thought and advance planning by smart people that want what you have. They come prepared with knowledge and the tools they need to do the job quickly. They likely already know how long they have to get in, get the goods, and get out. Your security system does not protect against this style of attack. Bank security systems can't even protect against those attacks all of the time. If you think this is unlikely then just keep boasting about how strong your security at your house is. I certainly hope it's never tested.
The pure fact that you have revealed that you have a security system in place already gives a thief a leg up because there will be no surprises. He knows he will have to work fast. As a matter of fact, everything you say in this thread boasting about your system gives a thief more info to break down your security system and hit it's vulnerable points. Think about it. Banks don't boast about their security for a reason. Every security system built properly with multiple layers of security still has vulnerabilities that can be picked apart by a good criminal. So keeping your security measures secret prevents them from picking it apart to find the vulnerabilities so easily.
BTW, when was the last time you took your OPSEC training? Did you actually pay attention to it?