Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[BugI02]

Once again you're making a "If you aren't for X then you're supporting Y" kind of statement.

No, being against one thing doesn't make you support another.

Negative. Pointing out that 'the US didn't keep its promises' is not a behavior that Putin (or anyone else) can unhypocritically bemoan

 

[indyjs]

You must have missed Covid

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Probably because Ukraine has no more air assets to blow them up.

It seems like Molotov cocktails have been effective, if the pics being shown are to be believed (and my confidence level isn't high on that).

 

[KG1]

While we've been talking about NATO's promise not to expand eastward, I think it would only be fair to bring up the 1994 Budapest memorandum in which Russia was a signatory. Under the terms of the memorandum Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for assurances respecting their independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

Now according to those terms Putin's decision to disregard Ukraine's sovereign boundaries with this current incursion is in direct violation of that memorandum.

Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up?

Russia agreed in 1994 to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and national borders in return for Kyiv agreeing to give up its nuclear arsenal.

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[rooster]

Probably because Ukraine has no more air assets to blow them up.

Bingo! But we are to believe the ghost of Kiev is stalking the skies dropping the rouski’s Air Force single handedly.

 

[Cameramonkey]

While we've been talking about NATO's promise not to expand eastward, I think it would only be apropos to bring up the 1994 Budapest memorandum in which Russia was a signatory. Under the terms of the memorandum Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for assurances respecting the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

Now according to those terms Putin's decision to disregard Ukraine's sovereign boundaries with this current incursion is in direct violation of that memorandum.

Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up?

Russia agreed in 1994 to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and national borders in return for Kyiv agreeing to give up its nuclear arsenal.

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And who is the current head with veto powers over the general assembly? The same one that vetoed sanctions against Russia for invading, this memorandum not withstanding? (at least I presume that wasnt brought up)

Yep Same thing will probably happen here.

Apparently Whatever country currently with somebody in the big boy chair can do pretty much anything they want during that time frame.

Step 1 Wait for your turn at bat.
Step 2 Once in power, do bad things.
Step 3 veto any resolutions attempting to punish you for those bad things.
Step 4 profit.

 

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[Redhorse]

While we've been talking about NATO's promise not to expand eastward, I think it would only be fair to bring up the 1994 Budapest memorandum in which Russia was a signatory. Under the terms of the memorandum Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for assurances respecting their independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

Now according to those terms Putin's decision to disregard Ukraine's sovereign boundaries with this current incursion is in direct violation of that memorandum.

Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up?

Russia agreed in 1994 to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and national borders in return for Kyiv agreeing to give up its nuclear arsenal.

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I thought about that too and honestly I don't have much faith in things like that. Whenever there's a regime change, the new administration of any country conveniently ignores things their countries agreed to in the past. We're notorious for that whenever one party replaces the other in the White House. With that in mind, its no wonder a person like Putin would ignore memorandums he doesn't agree with, especially taken into mind he doesn't even believe the Ukrainian state should exist.

 

[rooster]

Isn’t parading POW’s a warcrime?

 

[KG1]

I thought about that too and honestly I don't have much faith in things like that. Whenever there's a regime change, the new administration of any country conveniently ignores things their countries agreed to in the past. We're notorious for that whenever one party replaces the other in the White House. With that in mind, its no wonder a person like Putin would ignore memorandums he doesn't agree with, especially taken into mind he doesn't even believe the Ukrainian state should exist.

Hey if Putin wants to go all the way back before he was even in power to bring up a non-binding promise that he wants NATO to adhere to, which predates the Budapest memorandum btw, then he must also acknowledge a binding agreement that Russia was a signatory to. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Ark]

While we've been talking about NATO's promise not to expand eastward, I think it would only be fair to bring up the 1994 Budapest memorandum in which Russia was a signatory. Under the terms of the memorandum Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for assurances respecting their independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

Now according to those terms Putin's decision to disregard Ukraine's sovereign boundaries with this current incursion is in direct violation of that memorandum.

Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up?

Russia agreed in 1994 to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and national borders in return for Kyiv agreeing to give up its nuclear arsenal.

theconversation.com

The lesson of the post Cold War era: Never ever give up your nukes in exchange for words.

 

[Tombs]

This is one of the main reasons Russia angers me. The treatment of their own people is abysmal.

 

[nra4ever]

This can’t be good for the regular internet.

 

[cobber]

This is one of the main reasons Russia angers me. The treatment of their own people is abysmal.

Going back at least to the reign of Ivan the Terrible. Not a nice place to live.

 

[KG1]

The lesson of the post Cold War era: Never ever give up your nukes in exchange for words.

Apparently so.

 

[actaeon277]

Why has that convoy been sitting in the same place for what, almost a week now?

Because if the convoy goes into the city, it can get chewed up.
But if you leave it there, you can draw out a force trying to attack it.

You shift the odds in your favor.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Because if the convoy goes into the city, it can get chewed up.
But if you leave it there, you can draw out a force trying to attack it.

You shift the odds in your favor.

Well neither situation has materialized, so how long do you park? Maybe they're trying to break the Canadian record. Do the vehicles in the convoy have horns?

 

[Tombs]

 

[Shadow01]

How old are you?
I only ask because I was a senior in high school when the wall fell in Germany.When I was in elementary school in Peterville Indiana the basement of the school was a fallout shelter,and we drilled for tornado's,but even that late in the cold war the shelter still had supplies(civil defense drums and loads of shelving full of things I had not clue about) and signs it was a fallout shelter.
I remember the talks that led up to the soviet union accepting members leaving,and our agreement not to expand NATO.

We expanded NATO all the way to Russia already. Ukraine though is different as it puts missiles 6 minutes from Moscow,and Crimea was(even before the Soviet Union)home to the Russian black sea fleet.

Both sides had a buffers,expanding NATO eliminated it.

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[rooster]

This is one of the main reasons Russia angers me. The treatment of their own people is abysmal.

I could pull some pics from my own early army years but most of us looked like 17 year old half starved kids too.