I'm wondering what the typical 2014 gun training classroom rules are, and what others thoughts are on "no live ammo in the classroom".
I understand the safety reasons for the rule: don't mix unloaded training weapons with live weapons.
I don't have a problem with this in locations where there is some other security. For example, the gun shows have multiple armed guards and I suspect plenty of dealers at or near ready if some maniac shows up.
I also don't mind the rules that differentiate visible weapons from concealed. For example, I noticed Tim's in Westfield sign says (paraphrased) keep any weapons you are wearing in the holster; bring your practice weapons unloaded and in the case.
I saw another classroom rule that was "don't show me mine and I won't show you yours".
I was also fine with ATM's statement at the Appleseed: when it was time to bring out our rifles for the first time, he asked us to leave any concealed weapons in the car. He also advised that the instructors were carrying, and could cover us momentarily should anything unexpected happen.
I took a class from Ken Campbell and I believe that was a "no ammo" in the classroom, but it was in the basement of the jail faciliity with deputies upstairs. If someone got through that, we would have had a lot of notice. Ken's rule at or near the range was basically not to be fidgeting and unholstering. Your choice whether in the case or in your holster, just be safe with the gun.
I'm not too thrilled about an absolute strict "no live ammo, even concealed" in the classroom, if there is no other security. Is the instructor armed? Is there only 1 instructor?
Have you seen some of the forums of the anti-gun crowd? They heartily cheer when a gun owner is injured or killed, even when that person made great decisions and saved others. If they are anything, they are hateful. I do not think it's impossible for one of them to bring a weapon to a gun range and joyfully take out a bunch of gun owners because we were stupid enough to advertise where our no-gun zone is. I'm not paranoid about it, not twitchy nor particularly looking over my shoulder. But OTOH, if I were paranoid about anywhere that I carry, I just wouldn't be going to that place.
Thoughts?
I understand the safety reasons for the rule: don't mix unloaded training weapons with live weapons.
I don't have a problem with this in locations where there is some other security. For example, the gun shows have multiple armed guards and I suspect plenty of dealers at or near ready if some maniac shows up.
I also don't mind the rules that differentiate visible weapons from concealed. For example, I noticed Tim's in Westfield sign says (paraphrased) keep any weapons you are wearing in the holster; bring your practice weapons unloaded and in the case.
I saw another classroom rule that was "don't show me mine and I won't show you yours".
I was also fine with ATM's statement at the Appleseed: when it was time to bring out our rifles for the first time, he asked us to leave any concealed weapons in the car. He also advised that the instructors were carrying, and could cover us momentarily should anything unexpected happen.
I took a class from Ken Campbell and I believe that was a "no ammo" in the classroom, but it was in the basement of the jail faciliity with deputies upstairs. If someone got through that, we would have had a lot of notice. Ken's rule at or near the range was basically not to be fidgeting and unholstering. Your choice whether in the case or in your holster, just be safe with the gun.
I'm not too thrilled about an absolute strict "no live ammo, even concealed" in the classroom, if there is no other security. Is the instructor armed? Is there only 1 instructor?
Have you seen some of the forums of the anti-gun crowd? They heartily cheer when a gun owner is injured or killed, even when that person made great decisions and saved others. If they are anything, they are hateful. I do not think it's impossible for one of them to bring a weapon to a gun range and joyfully take out a bunch of gun owners because we were stupid enough to advertise where our no-gun zone is. I'm not paranoid about it, not twitchy nor particularly looking over my shoulder. But OTOH, if I were paranoid about anywhere that I carry, I just wouldn't be going to that place.
Thoughts?