Romney Say He'd Keep Parts Of Obamacare

[henktermaat]

This should come as a surprise to no one. Romney is the MASSACHUSETTS governor. 'nuff said.

 

[mlzoiss]

If we are to ever restore this republic, we need to do it without name calling and labels. And those who seek to do it need to free themselves from the delusion that religion had anything to do with founding this country, because there is absolutely no reference to religion in the constitution, and unless you're denying the brilliance of our framers, there's a good reason for that.

Ah. Thanks. I either didn't know that, or if it has been said before, I had forgotten it. Nevertheless, it makes no difference to the argument that the Founders assumed that Judeo-Christian moral values were necessary to prevent the republic from failing as other republics, such as Rome, had failed.

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Judeo-Christian Values have a foundational role in America, beginning with the Declaration of Independence, where they acknowledge our 'Creator.'

[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Our Founding Fathers separated church from state, but they wisely did not separate God from state; they acknowledged God as the source of our rights, and, in fact, they were careful to place Biblical morality directly into our founding documents and laws, and into our values and culture precisely to help prevent a future of totalitarian or tyrannical rule in America. The combination of keeping Judeo-Christian religious morality in the state, as opposed to the church it's self; and, additionally, setting up our laws based on reason and common sense has contributed to the American Character, and to what is known as "American Exceptionalism." [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Our Founding Fathers were religious in a new way, the Judeo-Christian way, and they were the liberals of their day by deducing that our political and human rights come from a power higher than human government; but they were conservative to Biblical morality. There was and still is a connection between God and Liberty; He is the author of it.[/FONT]"

What does socialism have to do with morality?

Sometimes I really wonder if people know what socialism is. It's always the easiest word to throw out there, and is blamed for basically every evil in the world.

In Judeo-Christian America one finds the idea of equality before God and the law, but not government forced economic equality. Modern European culture has stressed the value of economic equality rather than Liberty, and their governments unjustly enforce the principle. This has led to the failed European inventions of Socialism and Communism. Socialists in America have been lured into this failed European idea of social justice. Socialism is a failure in that it unjustly suppresses human creativity by excessively taxing away its rewards, and by foolishly giving economic reward to many who, even though mentally and physically able, fail to honor their Divine privilege and duty to work creatively.

Thus, Socialism is a dual insult to God-given creativity.

Archived-Articles: The Judeo-Christian Values of America

 

[Lex Concord]

He's gonna repeal Obamacare and replace it with Romneycare. See? There's a huge difference.

A simple string comparison in any programming language proves "Obamacare" != "Romneycare"...beyond that, who knows

 

[hornadylnl]

 

[$mooth]

Indeed. Pre-existing means it's not insurance. You can't be car insurance AFTER you get in a wreck.

You can't compare car insurance with health insurance. If you had Car insurance A for 4 years and got in a wreck on August 2nd, today is September 11th and your car is not fixed. September 1st, you switched to Car Insurance B, who pays to fix your car? Obviously its Insurance A. Health insurance doesn't work that way. The company you were with when you acquired an illness or problem will not pay for it to be remedied or treated the rest of your life, only while you are actively a client.

 

[88GT]

Indeed. Pre-existing means it's not insurance. You can't be car insurance AFTER you get in a wreck.

No, it's cost subsidy, but that doesn't really change anything.

We regulate insurance all the time. When it comes down to brass tacks, I oppose any government regulation on a purely principled level. But principled and reality sometimes butt heads. There are ways to avoid much of the negative consequences of mandating coverage for pre-existing conditions. But the public doesn't want to do it. So the problem isn't mandating coverage, but keeping the costs the same as those with no history of health problems.

You can't compare car insurance with health insurance. If you had Car insurance A for 4 years and got in a wreck on August 2nd, today is September 11th and your car is not fixed. September 1st, you switched to Car Insurance B, who pays to fix your car? Obviously its Insurance A. Health insurance doesn't work that way. The company you were with when you acquired an illness or problem will not pay for it to be remedied or treated the rest of your life, only while you are actively a client.

To add to that: no auto insurance policy that I am aware pays for routine maintenance and/or simple breakdown repairs. If health insurance were like auto insurance, the only things covered would be emergency situations like gashes requiring stitches, car crash injuries, and the like. Simply becoming sick, contracting an infection, or developing a disease would be on our dime. Wear and tear and all that.

 

[aikidoka]

No, it's cost subsidy, but that doesn't really change anything.

We regulate insurance all the time. When it comes down to brass tacks, I oppose any government regulation on a purely principled level. But principled and reality sometimes butt heads. There are ways to avoid much of the negative consequences of mandating coverage for pre-existing conditions. But the public doesn't want to do it. So the problem isn't mandating coverage, but keeping the costs the same as those with no history of health problems.



To add to that: no auto insurance policy that I am aware pays for routine maintenance and/or simple breakdown repairs. If health insurance were like auto insurance, the only things covered would be emergency situations like gashes requiring stitches, car crash injuries, and the like. Simply becoming sick, contracting an infection, or developing a disease would be on our dime. Wear and tear and all that.

Is the public really aware of options? The only one I've read about is health status insurance or rider with a social safety net for those who miss the opportunity until the system fully transitions.

 

[88GT]

Is the public really aware of options? The only one I've read about is health status insurance or rider with a social safety net for those who miss the opportunity until the system fully transitions.

Are you talking about within Obamacare, because I'm not.

 

[aikidoka]

Are you talking about within Obamacare, because I'm not.

No I'm not talking about Obamacare. Here is a brief description

Health-Status Insurance: How Markets Can Provide Health Security | John H. Cochrane | Cato Institute: Policy Analysis

 

[JimmyR]

I begrudgeingly like Obamacare. My fiance was on her parent's insurance for a while after she graduated form college. She has Type 1 diabetes, and has since age 4. She works full time at a small company that does not have a group coverage plan, but gives employees a certain amount to contribute towards their insurance costs. She has been denied by every insurance provider in KY (she lives in Louisville) and cannot qualify for Medicaid or Medicare because she is not pregnant, does not have a child, and can work. She recently found an option that will get her insurance so that she can afford her insulin ($300 for a 30-60 day supply), and its PCIP- Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan, part of the Affordable care Act. She WANTS to buy insurance from Humana, Anthem, or somebody, but they will not cover her because they can refuse her simply for being diabetic.

I hate to say it, but I am almost thinking about voting for Obama. I don't want to, but I know there are others, like my fiance, who WANT insurance, but are considered "uninsurable" due to medical/psychiatric conditions. Again, like others have said, I would love to see a better solution, but I haven't seen anything better as of yet...

 

[Indy317]

I begrudgeingly like Obamacare. My fiance was on her parent's insurance for a while after she graduated form college. She has Type 1 diabetes, and has since age 4. She works full time at a small company that does not have a group coverage plan, but gives employees a certain amount to contribute towards their insurance costs. She has been denied by every insurance provider in KY (she lives in Louisville) and cannot qualify for Medicaid or Medicare because she is not pregnant, does not have a child, and can work. She recently found an option that will get her insurance so that she can afford her insulin ($300 for a 30-60 day supply), and its PCIP- Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan, part of the Affordable care Act. She WANTS to buy insurance from Humana, Anthem, or somebody, but they will not cover her because they can refuse her simply for being diabetic.

I hate to say it, but I am almost thinking about voting for Obama. I don't want to, but I know there are others, like my fiance, who WANT insurance, but are considered "uninsurable" due to medical/psychiatric conditions. Again, like others have said, I would love to see a better solution, but I haven't seen anything better as of yet...

It won't matter who you vote for, chances are your fiance or you won't have a job after Obama/Romney-Care takes over. Many places are going to pay the fine, and they likely may cut costs by either cutting jobs, or slashing wages. This will spread like waves across the country and will usher in true national healthcare. Get ready for another $300-$800+/month coming out of the paycheck depending on how much one makes. Look on the bright side though, your fiance will have healthcare, but she likely won't have a job, or if she does, don't be surprised if she is taking home less than half of what she used to (company wage cuts+national healthcare taxes).


We are getting to that point where only suckers will work, it will be easier to just sit at home and be a load. For those who have paid off their home and banked tens or hundreds of thousands over their life, they will have it the best, since savings likely won't be attacked just yet. This will be an income tax based system, so savers with no debt can basically determine their own future. Why work hard for the job that used to pay you $70K year, that now pays $50K, and you take home even less due to healthcare taxes? You will now have the option to do what you love for $25K/year, minimal healthcare taxes due to low wages, and let others bust their humps to subsidized your healthcare. I like this.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I begrudgeingly like Obamacare. My fiance was on her parent's insurance for a while after she graduated form college. She has Type 1 diabetes, and has since age 4. She works full time at a small company that does not have a group coverage plan, but gives employees a certain amount to contribute towards their insurance costs. She has been denied by every insurance provider in KY (she lives in Louisville) and cannot qualify for Medicaid or Medicare because she is not pregnant, does not have a child, and can work. She recently found an option that will get her insurance so that she can afford her insulin ($300 for a 30-60 day supply), and its PCIP- Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan, part of the Affordable care Act. She WANTS to buy insurance from Humana, Anthem, or somebody, but they will not cover her because they can refuse her simply for being diabetic.

I hate to say it, but I am almost thinking about voting for Obama. I don't want to, but I know there are others, like my fiance, who WANT insurance, but are considered "uninsurable" due to medical/psychiatric conditions. Again, like others have said, I would love to see a better solution, but I haven't seen anything better as of yet...

Not to be critical, but...

This is how they hook you. They concoct a program to address someone's needs and draw them in. Then you find it's not so bad to be sucking a the government teet. Most of us have had our time on the teet--(me included)...whether it was college finanacial aid, government backed mortgages, tax credits for geo-thermal heat pumps, or whatever. Just realize the money that is subsidizing your fiance's insurance was forcibly taken from me and your friends and neighbors.

This all needs to stop. All of it.

 

[hornadylnl]

Not to be critical, but...

This is how they hook you. They concoct a program to address someone's needs and draw them in. Then you find it's not so bad to be sucking a the government teet. Most of us have had our time on the teet--(me included)...whether it was college finanacial aid, government backed mortgages, tax credits for geo-thermal heat pumps, or whatever. Just realize the money that is subsidizing your fiance's insurance was forcibly taken from me and your friends and neighbors.

This all needs to stop. All of it.

Agreed. But many don't think of public spending on things the rich enjoy as sucking at the government teet. Pro sports, symphonies, parks, etc.

 

[aikidoka]

I begrudgeingly like Obamacare. My fiance was on her parent's insurance for a while after she graduated form college. She has Type 1 diabetes, and has since age 4. She works full time at a small company that does not have a group coverage plan, but gives employees a certain amount to contribute towards their insurance costs. She has been denied by every insurance provider in KY (she lives in Louisville) and cannot qualify for Medicaid or Medicare because she is not pregnant, does not have a child, and can work. She recently found an option that will get her insurance so that she can afford her insulin ($300 for a 30-60 day supply), and its PCIP- Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan, part of the Affordable care Act. She WANTS to buy insurance from Humana, Anthem, or somebody, but they will not cover her because they can refuse her simply for being diabetic.

I hate to say it, but I am almost thinking about voting for Obama. I don't want to, but I know there are others, like my fiance, who WANT insurance, but are considered "uninsurable" due to medical/psychiatric conditions. Again, like others have said, I would love to see a better solution, but I haven't seen anything better as of yet...

My fiance has partial disability. When she tried to work her health failed every time. Unfortunately, because it is not full disability she loses what she now has when we get married because I make 70 cents an hour too much. That means I take a $1,000 hit each month. I still do not support Obamacare even if there are good things in it. Those few good things only distract from a horrible whole that is a trojan horse for complete govt. takeover of healthcare.

Read the link I provided a few posts up about health status insurance. That and a safety net for people like your fiance who are already in a pre-existing condition can be accomplished without destroying our healthcare system like Obamacare will.

More competition, less regulations and mandates on insurance at the state level, reform of medicare/medicaid will help much more than adding even more govt intrusion and eventual takeover.

Then there are the other reasons to not vote for Obama. Holder, locking out the use of our own energy resources, higher taxes, QE3xinifity, kissing up to radical islam.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I begrudgeingly like Obamacare. My fiance was on her parent's insurance for a while after she graduated form college. She has Type 1 diabetes, and has since age 4. She works full time at a small company that does not have a group coverage plan, but gives employees a certain amount to contribute towards their insurance costs. She has been denied by every insurance provider in KY (she lives in Louisville) and cannot qualify for Medicaid or Medicare because she is not pregnant, does not have a child, and can work. She recently found an option that will get her insurance so that she can afford her insulin ($300 for a 30-60 day supply), and its PCIP- Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan, part of the Affordable care Act. She WANTS to buy insurance from Humana, Anthem, or somebody, but they will not cover her because they can refuse her simply for being diabetic.

I hate to say it, but I am almost thinking about voting for Obama. I don't want to, but I know there are others, like my fiance, who WANT insurance, but are considered "uninsurable" due to medical/psychiatric conditions. Again, like others have said, I would love to see a better solution, but I haven't seen anything better as of yet...

It is also true that the trains ran on time with Mussolini.

It is imperative that we refrain from the temptation to sell out the republic for a small bit of temporary security. After Barry's program to bankrupt the republic comes full circle, it is very likely that such necessary medications may not be available period depending on how bad the SHTF. The better choice would be a free market solution, not necessarily insurance as we think of it, but a solution of some type which cannot develop on account of .gov meddling which essentially eliminates thinking outside the box. It is generally not necessary to burn the house down in order to get rid of a couple of mice.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Progressives infect both parties.... but everything will be fine as long as there is anybody but obama in the executive position.

Two parties which are just alike aside from trim and window dressing, half of the people scream ABO while the other half, like Chris Matthews, have funny things happening in their undershorts over the big O.

It is going to be a long winter!

 

[rambone]

Romney: My health care law is evidence of empathy

Campaigning in Ohio on Wednesday, Romney told NBC News that he understands Americans’ lives and the challenges they face. In citing the Massachusetts health care law, he said, ‘‘Don’t forget, I got everybody in my state insured.’’

 

[printcraft]

Yeah!

OBAMA 4 MORE YEARS!!!

 

[tenring]

I keep hearing the Kenyan saying that he want "access" to affordable health care for everyone. Has anyone ever heard him say that you will get it? 30,000 doctors short now, 40% of existing doctors have expressed interest in retiring, and all the "clinics" that are promised in the bill, will most likely have a Nurse Practitioner in charge, not a doctor. How's this all going to work?

 

[Indy317]

I keep hearing the Kenyan saying that he want "access" to affordable health care for everyone. Has anyone ever heard him say that you will get it? 30,000 doctors short now, 40% of existing doctors have expressed interest in retiring, and all the "clinics" that are promised in the bill, will most likely have a Nurse Practitioner in charge, not a doctor. How's this all going to work?

It won't work. You will either be healthy or you will be unhealthy. Those who choose to smoke, do drugs (including ethanol) will get nailed. Those who are healthy will get what they need, until they end up with something serious later in life (like cancer). Almost every nurse I know working in a hospital setting where they work 12 hour shifts, nights or days, weekends and holidays, makes at least $60K/year. This doesn't include over-time or extra pay that some make. Are thousands of nurses going to take 20-30% pay cuts to help lower the cost of healthcare? I once read an appeal decision involving a divorce. Some ER doctor who made $300K/year working for a hospital. Will such folks be willing to work for $200K/year?

Only time will tell, but I believe it will be a bare bones system and if you are healthy you're healthy, if you're not, well that won't be good. It wouldn't surprise me if this is by design. Too many current day trends are just unaffordable:Retirement, or 20-30 years of non-production after only 30 years of being productive. Health care during old age. Won't be able to afford that anymore. You will get pain meds only, doubt costly cancer treatments and the like, to extend life to maybe a year, or two, will be available.