Rand Paul endorses immigrant path to citizenship

[KevinJ]

"Illegal immigration is to immigration as shoplifting is to shopping" some guy on the intertubes
They come here cause things are worse in their own country, at least for now. And what some do is send money earned here back home. How's about a 50% surtax on all Western Union (or whatever they are using) to send the money back?

 

[Prometheus]

"Illegal immigration is to immigration as shoplifting is to shopping" some guy on the intertubes
They come here cause things are worse in their own country, at least for now. And what some do is send money earned here back home. How's about a 50% surtax on all Western Union (or whatever they are using) to send the money back?

forgive me but on what planet is stealing half of a persons property because of how they choose to use it, in any way moral or lawful?

Thieves, they come in all shapes, sizes and political parties.

 

[mrjarrell]

"Illegal immigration is to immigration as shoplifting is to shopping" some guy on the intertubes
They come here cause things are worse in their own country, at least for now. And what some do is send money earned here back home. How's about a 50% surtax on all Western Union (or whatever they are using) to send the money back?

Taxation without representation. You're all for stealing peoples money? What do you say when they steal yours?

 

[Tsigos]

On a side note .... will giving these illegals citizenship stop them from sending millions of dollars back to their home countries or will they continue to do so?

Kinda of like when Romney and other citizens send theirs to Switzerland or the Caymans, right? Or like when the guy shopping at Walmart sends some of his to China with each purchase. Or like when Ford uses U.S. profits to build a new plant in Mexico.

 

[zippy23]

What amazes me is that an american citizen is OK with allowing an illegal to just become a citizen since they are here. Its giving up, nothing more. Other countries put illegals in PRISON, i know the dems need them for votes, but how can the other side embrace this? sorry, they need to pay me MONEY for taking my services i have paid for. this is only FAIR, but of course no politician will say this since they are scared. i'm sorry but illegals should be deported immediately, if they come back, sent to the middle of the ocean and left to swim

 

[Prometheus]

What amazes me is that an american citizen is OK with allowing an illegal to just become a citizen since they are here. Its giving up, nothing more. Other countries put illegals in PRISON, i know the dems need them for votes, but how can the other side embrace this? sorry, they need to pay me MONEY for taking my services i have paid for.

Sorry bub, don't act like you paid for it voluntarily. It was stolen from you and everyone else (at gun point). That argument is a non starter. You want to talk about stopping the theft in the first place, from the taxpayer, I'm all for it. This blaming the guy at the end of the line garbage is class warfare.

this is only FAIR,

Honestly, anyone over the age of about 13 who says the word fair should be shipped off to North Korea. I'm sick and tired of this socialist mantra.

i'm sorry but illegals should be deported immediately, if they come back, sent to the middle of the ocean and left to swim

Again your sorry? I assume for your ignorance. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, thanks to them tens of millions of illegals are here. Right now.

In what wild dimension do you live where it would possible to deport 20 million people?

How about the jobs they do? You really think the welfare crowd are going to start washing dishes and busing tables tomorrow? Who the heck is going to do their job?

sent to the middle of the ocean and left to swim

Genocide... I suppose you want to ship the 20 million back on cattle cars while were at it?

You want to murder millions of non violent people, you are one sick, sick individual

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

Kinda of like when Romney and other citizens send theirs to Switzerland or the Caymans, right? Or like when the guy shopping at Walmart sends some of his to China with each purchase. Or like when Ford uses U.S. profits to build a new plant in Mexico.

Nope. Unless you can prove Romney spends all that money in the Caymens or Switzerland. How much money actually gets sent to China with each Walmart purchase? If it's cheaper to have a car built in Mexico why not? IF what is made at that plant is sold in the US, Where are those profits going? I doubt 100% of those profits are going towards outsourcing

 

[SecondhandSnake]

Why would they, when (as a new citizen) they can bring all of their family up here? So the 15-20 million new US citizens may become 50 million. It might be easier just to annex Mexico.

One trend I noticed when researching the last round of amnesty was a large percentage of those granted amnesty IMMEDIATELY brought over another 4-6 relatives. Illegally, of course.

What makes you think that even if there were granted citizen status they would earn enough to pay taxes and not weigh down the entitlement programs any way?

Because the government said so. They're always right. Like how they said Obamacare wasn't going to cost the taxpayers a dime.

 

[KevinJ]

forgive me but on what planet is stealing half of a persons property because of how they choose to use it, in any way moral or lawful?

Thieves, they come in all shapes, sizes and political parties.

The tax would be on the money sent back by the illegals. This country long ago ceased using the tax code for the purpose of raising revenue and shifted to using it for changing behavior. You subsidize something, you get more of it. You tax it, you get less.

 

[mrjarrell]

Ouch!

 

[Grunt]

In what wild dimension do you live where it would possible to deport 20 million people?

I actually believe there is 30+ million illegals here. Deportations occurred several times in history; after World War's I and II. The purpose being to remove the illegals, so that the returning GIs could have jobs.

We need to deport the multi-generational illegals too. If their parents came here illegally and their kids were born here, the kids are illegal. When those illegal kids had kids, the new kids are illegals. The 14th Ammendment clearly states that they are not citizens.

It would be a economic benefit for us to start tracking the illegals down and returning them to their country of origin. Their property should be confiscated and turned over to the people.

We want to get rid of them so that we remain a sovereign nation.

 

[jdmack79]

We need to deport the multi-generational illegals too. If their parents came here illegally and their kids were born here, the kids are illegal. When those illegal kids had kids, the new kids are illegals. The 14th Ammendment clearly states that they are not citizens.

You may want to read the 14th Amendment again. Section one states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

 

[Expat]

You may want to read the 14th Amendment again. Section one states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

By being here illegally they were not "subject to the jurisdiction". At that is the argument. Clearly the intent of the 14th had nothing to do with illegals and their children.

 

[jdmack79]

By being here illegally they were not "subject to the jurisdiction". At that is the argument. Clearly the intent of the 14th had nothing to do with illegals and their children.

Clearly the intent of the 2nd amendment had nothing to due with an individuals right to bear arms. It was about militias.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

Clearly the intent of the 2nd amendment had nothing to due with an individuals right to bear arms. It was about militias.

Good thing that was purple or some heads would have exploded