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Public school bull**** heard from my stepkids.
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I think you're reading too much into it. It was a teacher campaigning for who they thought would help education the most.
steveh_131
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As often as 88GT and I disagree, I am still wildly entertained when I see her jump into a thread about public education and tear it to shreds.
Perhaps. I won't deny it.I graduated in '94 from a very large public high school in Indianapolis. I can't remember a single incident of a teacher using his/her position to influence a student's opinion to subvert the parental teachings (if it contradicted them). Not even in my World Lit class when we studied the holy writings of the various major world religions.
Of course it wasn't like one day the schools are just suddenly staffed with these kinds of teachers. The advance was incremental. It's possible it was in the earlier stages of the advance during my tenure and just hadn't reached my school/district yet.
Neither am I saying that it never occurred prior to a particular point in time. But there's no denying that it didn't used to be the systemic problem of proselytizing that we're seeing today. Or that there aren't still schools/districts where this isn't a problem. But I'm not taking the chance with my kids.
Hang in there! My boys education was a compilation of homeschooling, private, and public education. My youngest just graduated in the spring from public high school. He excelled academically and was a 'commended' national merit scholar. (A topic for a different thread there - unfortunately, not all about merit.).
Anyway, he loves to debate and is very skilled at it. I am proud of his ability to think for himself and present his views in an articulate manner.
I have much respect for anyone willing to take on the challenge and sacrifice of teaching and training their children.
It would be more accurate to say that it was always like that ever since Horace Mann introduced the Prussian schooling model to the U.S.
- Horace Mann, Father of Public Schooling in the U.S.
- John Dewey, founder of modern public schooling philosophy
FIFY
Aren't public sector unions just wonderful?
Were they threats or predictions of what is to come? Just because you don't like what someone is trying to tell you, does not make it a threat. Especially when they were right.
Look at the stock market right now or to coin an old movie title.....The Day After. Still see it as a threat or truth telling?
Teachers can justify using children because they love them, the same way some parents justify strapping bombs on them. Total cowards play.
Negative. You put your own agenda there.
I also run into the issue with my 2 step daughters, ages 11 and 12. They both have teachers that will tell them how great Obama is and actually go as far as silencing their opinion when they try to discuss. I do have an appreciation of this because it gives me the oppurtunity to teach them about my opinions and the deeper issue of why their teachers would have such views. I do think it is innapropriate for teachers to be discussing this in classroom and refusing to allow the students to state their opinions on the matter. I have told my girls more than once that if the teacher would like I would be happy to come to their class for a debate. Never been accepted.
Perhaps. I won't deny it.
Of course it wasn't like one day the schools are just suddenly staffed with these kinds of teachers. The advance was incremental. It's possible it was in the earlier stages of the advance during my tenure and just hadn't reached my school/district yet.
Neither am I saying that it never occurred prior to a particular point in time. But there's no denying that it didn't used to be the systemic problem of proselytizing that we're seeing today. Or that there aren't still schools/districts where this isn't a problem. But I'm not taking the chance with my kids.
I gradyee-ated in 1994 from a very small rural school (65 in my graduating class). We had a few teachers that felt teaching us "hicks" the right ways of the "city" was the right thing to do. In fact, my folks came in a few times and had "sit downs" with a few of them over some of their "teachings".
But that's what is different today. Parents, in general, don't care enough to actually TEACH their children morals, right/wrong and the basics in life. They expect the schools to do it for them.
<--- married to a Spec Ed teacher.
Depends on the class and the teacher. Some people try to encourage kids to think for themselves and to be able to support their opinions with facts.
Nazi Germany did not start until the 1930's so I will call bull**** on your facts. Hitler became Chancellor in 1933. Homeschool might not be the way to go.
steveh_131
Grandmaster
The thread or public education?
Both, in equal measures. As soon as someone bashes homeschooling I'm like 'Oh no he di'int!!' then I wait for you to arrive and take him to school.
I don't doubt that at all. Actually taking an active roll in your child's education is hard work. Most people are lazy.
There are many ways for a parent to ensure a good education for their kids, public, private, home, but all of them take effort on the part of the parent or you are leaving the education to chance. There is no right choice for every person. Home schooling works well for us, but it is hard work.
