Prince's Lake "No Firearms allowed"

[eldirector]

I thought signs on govt bldgs or businesses trumped the law on carry? Am I wrong?

Not even close.

Per IC, only the State can create/enforce firearms laws (with a few exceptions). Signs on private property carry no weight, other than a possibly trespass issue if the carrier fails to leave if asked.

 

[Scutter01]

I think you should just go tape the preemption statute right next to the sign, along with this:

 

[poppy]

I just sent him a PM with a link to this tread.

Have you had any responses to your pm?

 

[Scutter01]

Make sure you remind them that the town will be responsible for paying damages if someone decides to sue over it.

IC 35-47-11.1-7
Civil actions; recovery of damages, costs, and fees
Sec. 7. A prevailing plaintiff in an action under section 5 of this
chapter is entitled to recover from the political subdivision the
following:
(1)The greater of the following:
(A)Actual dmages, including consequential damages.
(B) Liquidated damages of three (3) times the plaintiff's
attorney's fees.
(2)Court costs (including fees).
(3)Reasonable attorney's fees.
As added byP.L.152-2011, SEC.4.

 

[Destro]

Make sure you remind them that the town will be responsible for paying damages if someone decides to sue over it.

IC 35-47-11.1-7
Civil actions; recovery of damages, costs, and fees
Sec. 7. A prevailing plaintiff in an action under section 5 of this
chapter is entitled to recover from the political subdivision the
following:
(1)The greater of the following:
(A)Actual dmages, including consequential damages.
(B) Liquidated damages of three (3) times the plaintiff's
attorney's fees.
(2)Court costs (including fees).
(3)Reasonable attorney's fees.
As added byP.L.152-2011, SEC.4.

.....they still haven't violated any laws up till this point!

 

[Scutter01]

.....they still haven't violated any laws up till this point!

I agree. Until they attempt to enforce the sign, they haven't violated any laws.

 

[SteveM4A1]

IMO, even if they don't enforce it, if someone doesn't carry because of that sign, they should be held liable. Yea, I know the Hammond case...that doesn't mean the courts made the right decision.

 

[Hammer]

Have you had any responses to your pm?

Not yet.

 

[minuteman32]

Saw a similar sign @ the volunteer fire dept building in Bean Blossom. I informed them that it was not a legal sign. Was told "better safe than sorry" by the gal who was a deputy sheriff, EMT & reserve officer (she said). I thought, "Better safe than sorry? That's exactly why I'm carrying!"

 

[Hammer]

Saw a similar sign @ the volunteer fire dept building in Bean Blossom. I informed them that it was not a legal sign. Was told "better safe than sorry" by the gal who was a deputy sheriff, EMT & reserve officer (she said). I thought, "Better safe than sorry? That's exactly why I'm carrying!"

Not sure about that particular FD, but most Volunteer septs in Indiana are private companies and the property is private and not owned by the city.

 

[ryknoll3]

Again, I'd like to see what the government's reaction would be if you put up a sign in your business window that said "NO _____ (insert protected class here)" and then told them you weren't going to enforce it.

How about this sign:

"Well, I wasn't going to stop them if they came in the front door."

Seems to me it wouldn't be a "no harm, no foul" situation like the Hammond case.

Or what about a police officer pulling over a motorist and telling them to drop their pants, as he needs to be assured they aren't concealing anything dangerous. Officer says, "When it came down to it, I didn't force them to do it."

The truth is, signs posted (or ordinances on the books) by government agencies affect people's behavior. I don't see how it's legal to post signs with the intent of affecting behavior when the law clearly states that you can't enforce it.

 

[Fargo]

Is there a Prince Lake City Court?

Fargo?

Nope, there is not.

 

[ModernGunner]

For my own edification, does anyone have a link or any information on the Hammond case? Thanks in advance for any assistance.

 

[Hop]

 

[Destro]

too late, already got a few jabs in...

 

[Hop]

too late, already got a few jabs in...

I have posted the "sign" now though so be careful.

 

[CathyInBlue]

Destro is not impressed with your "sign".

 

[NorthLiberty]

NO firearms allowed, unless your a criminal. To me there is no safer environment than lots of good law abiding citizens carrying pistols.

 

[SteveM4A1]

NO firearms allowed, unless your a criminal. To me there is no safer environment than lots of good law abiding citizens carrying pistols.

Yea I don't get it. I run a business and had armed citizens come in today, and I just smiled and was thankful.

 

[Leadeye]

Princes Lake ever fix the dam after the big flood breached it a few years back?