Popular Vote

[dsol]

It would be simple to revise the electoral college. Break it up where one electoral vote is awarded to the winner of each seperate congressional district and then whoever gets the most votes overall in the state gets the two electoral votes for the senate seats. It would never happen as that would take power to control all of Illinois electoral votes just through Chicago and would be a fairer breakdown of the votes to represent the "little people' in the rest of a state.

 

[42769vette]

The Electoral College is perfect - stop trying to change it.
It is designed precisely to protect the Republic against the tyranny of the majority, of populism.

The nature of the process happens to have failed us spectacularly in this instance - or, rather, we have failed ourselves, but the rationale for the Electoral College is very much valid.

If there is still a Republic worth the having in 2017, then I will be very glad to have it as a final bulwark against populism, although it wasn't enough to save us this time.

Not that Romney would have been much better, as he still holds many of the same positions, but at least Romney doesn't openly hate everything for which we stand (used to stand??) as a People and as a Nation.

This is uniquely terrible.

how did electorial college fail us this time? obama won the popular and the electorial.

id also like to hear you elaborate on how it is perfect. im defintally no expert on the electorial college so mabye i can learn some thing by your explation

 

[JetGirl]

we have failed ourselves, but the rationale for the Electoral College is very much valid

how did electorial college fail us this time? obama won the popular and the electorial.

To paraphrase; "The People get the government they deserve."

 

[42769vette]

To paraphrase; "The People get the government they deserve."

understood, i should have read it again before posting.

carry on

 

[JetGirl]

understood, i should have read it again before posting.

carry on

To be clear, I didn't mean I was paraphrasing either of you... I was referring to the supposed author of the quote, Alexis de Toqueville.

#thingsthatmakeyougowtf

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Argue and or agree until the cows come home, it won't solve the problem or feed you. I have done a bit of research (still have some more to do of course) and I've come to the conclusion that Guatemala is perhaps a suitable place to wait things out. It may perhaps be the prefect place for a libertarian to avoid the bread lines and watch the world burn! They have gun rights, are free from government intrusion, 55' at night 75' daytime temps average, roughly 25% of the cost of living ....oh, and they aren't taxed to death! What's yours is yours!

 

[hornadylnl]

Argue and or agree until the cows come home, it won't solve the problem or feed you. I have done a bit of research (still have some more to do of course) and I've come to the conclusion that Guatemala is perhaps a suitable place to wait things out. It may perhaps be the prefect place for a libertarian to avoid the bread lines and watch the world burn! They have gun rights, are free from government intrusion, 55' at night 75' daytime temps average, roughly 25% of the cost of living ....oh, and they aren't taxed to death! What's yours is yours!

There's a reason Mexicans look down their noses at Guatemalans.

 

[PAMom]

Argue and or agree until the cows come home, it won't solve the problem or feed you. I have done a bit of research (still have some more to do of course) and I've come to the conclusion that Guatemala is perhaps a suitable place to wait things out. It may perhaps be the prefect place for a libertarian to avoid the bread lines and watch the world burn! They have gun rights, are free from government intrusion, 55' at night 75' daytime temps average, roughly 25% of the cost of living ....oh, and they aren't taxed to death! What's yours is yours!

Interesting to me you mention this subject; my neighbor asked me four years ago where would be the best place to go if leaving this country. Unlike me, however, he is a millionaire and can pick and choose where he might go. I believe him to be completely serious.

I have watched the stories with interest that talk about our 'millionaires and billionaires' leaving this country in larger than normal numbers.

Guess you and I better buck up and get paying their fair share.

 

[Whosyer]

I actually read an article a few months back, recommending Panama as a place to retire to.

 

[NomadS]

We'd be better served to return selection of the senate to the legislatures of the several states.

+1

the EC also decreases somewhat the possible impact of voter fraud as well. With straight popular vote, one massive fraud location could through the election. With the EC there are usually at least several states that would need to be corrupted.

The founders probably feared (rightly) straight democracy as much if not more than the other type of tyranny.

 

[NomadS]

It would be simple to revise the electoral college. Break it up where one electoral vote is awarded to the winner of each seperate congressional district and then whoever gets the most votes overall in the state gets the two electoral votes for the senate seats. It would never happen as that would take power to control all of Illinois electoral votes just through Chicago and would be a fairer breakdown of the votes to represent the "little people' in the rest of a state.

Michael Medved was talking about this on the radio. Sounds like it might be a compromise that should be considered. Can anyone think of any unintended consequences this might cause?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Michael Medved was talking about this on the radio. Sounds like it might be a compromise that should be considered. Can anyone think of any unintended consequences this might cause?

Whew, I don't know. If something like this would become law, you'd see a lot of gerrymandering.
I like the system the way it is. For all of our elections, only 4 times has the popular vote winner not won the office.

 

[dbrier]

And that is 4 too many. The majority of the people want a certain person to be in charge but an odd outdated system makes it someone else. That doesn't seem wrong to you?