Police shoot unarmed suspects 137 times after pursuit in East Cleveland; 2 dead

[phylodog]

Dude, you can do that sarcasm anywhere BUT Chicago, New Orleans, Philly, or Cleveland.

Aww come one Kirk. It's fun to make up stories, I was just playing along.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I got an idea....everyone that runs/flees in a vehicle gets shot. That would put a damper on that BS.

I have no problem with the LE actions pertaining to the original post other than watching their crossfire. Those two in the car...they won't be doing that crap anymore.

Yep, never been someone run because they were simply scared to go to jail over a marijuana charge. Wait, that has happened, never mind.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Aww come one Kirk. It's fun to make up stories, I was just playing along.

Yeah, I know. That is auto sarcasm for 99.9% of the departments out there, but . . . some of us have experience in the . . . less than optimal departments.

I have Chicago stories. The Internet is full of NYC and DC police stories, but Cleveland is just sad and I mean tears down the face sad.

 

[caverjamie]

With 1.2 billion rounds of ammo sitting around in storage they had to do SOMETHING with it to make room...

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Cleveland has 1.2 billion rounds of ammo in storage???

If Cleveland has 1.2 billion rounds of ammo I'll bet Officer Schmuckatelli lost the key to the armory and CPD cannot lay hands on it.

 

[danbb]

Once shots are being fired, every cop is going to open fire, they don't know where the shots are coming from or who's shooting at who, so I can see how it escalates fairly quickly when you have a large group. Also, you have to remember that it is cleveland after all

 

[caverjamie]

Cleveland has 1.2 billion rounds of ammo in storage???

If Cleveland has 1.2 billion rounds of ammo I'll bet Officer Schmuckatelli lost the key to the armory and CPD cannot lay hands on it.

Okay okay you got me, it was a poor attempt at humorously linking this to the controversial federal ammo purchase recently - I admit none of that probably made it to the Cleveland police department, spoil sport

 

[Pinchaser]

The liberal media is always going to sensationalize the story for their own agenda. The details will come out of what really happened. We weren't there and have no real idea yet. Just media hype.

 

[phylodog]

Once shots are being fired, every cop is going to open fire, they don't know where the shots are coming from or who's shooting at who, so I can see how it escalates fairly quickly when you have a large group. Also, you have to remember that it is cleveland after all

If they are trained properly it shouldn't happen. It's called sympathetic fire and the courts don't see it as a valid justification. Just because 13 officers fired doesn't necessarily mean it was sympathetic fire however. If each of them determined that deadly force was needed, and that decision is deemed reasonable, there won't be an issue with what happened, regardless of how terrified some people in Indiana are from reading about it.

 

[Mackey]

Why don't they just issue the Cleveland PD RPGs. It's obvious that they wanted them dead and seems like one well placed grenade would have caused less damage.

 

[sepe]

Why don't they just issue the Cleveland PD RPGs. It's obvious that they wanted them dead and seems like one well placed grenade would have caused less damage.

Might just be better off leveling the entire area and starting over. I'm not sure the fine people of Youngstown would like that though as they'd assume #1 position as the butt of the jokes about Ohio.

 

[lucky4034]

One thing is for sure.... there should be 10 or so dash camera's that were on the scene when the shot was fired, including the cruiser who was in the collision.

Now... what are the odds that we will get to see that video??

I'll go... 50/50

 

[Liberty1911]

I need to know exactly who these people were and why they were running from the police before I decide if I care or not.

 

[fireblade]

If they are trained properly it shouldn't happen. It's called sympathetic fire and the courts don't see it as a valid justification. Just because 13 officers fired doesn't necessarily mean it was sympathetic fire however. If each of them determined that deadly force was needed, and that decision is deemed reasonable, there won't be an issue with what happened, regardless of how terrified some people in Indiana are from reading about it.

There is a history of officers on edge after a high speed chase and acting on emotion. Theres been a lot of training to counter this in the last seven years . I can not see how anyone can approve in a professional manner that many rounds from that many diffent officers in a lot of crossfiring sectors of fire and no regard to the surrounding area . Angry high adrenaline is a natral reaction to a long or dangerous chase ......in the short run it will be justified action but the tatics and professional matter how it happen will be debated with in the department.
and another nail for the media for public PR with police...painted as gun happy shoot to kill first and a authorty not to trust ......which adds to the cause and effect .....just my on how i see it...

 

[VUPDblue]

One thing is for sure.... there should be 10 or so dash camera's that were on the scene when the shot was fired, including the cruiser who was in the collision.

Now... what are the odds that we will get to see that video??

I'll go... 50/50

do you know for sure that this department has cameras in all or any of the cars?

 

[IndyDave1776]

"Police said the chase began because the two had shot at a police officer"

"Spotts said that the chase ended in a dead end with a head-on collision with a police car."

Sounds to me like the police chase started and ended with illegal, potentially lethal activity by the suspects. I'll way for the whole story to come out.

Take a good look at the front of that car. A head-on collision should have caused noticeable damage.

On a more general note, I seem to recall just a few days ago the consensus was to heap scorn on an arguably unstable old man who filled two unarmed intruders full of lead after they broke into his home, with an emphasis on the unnecessary volume of fire for the purpose at hand and the apparent intent to see to it that they both died. So, what conclusion do we reach on whether or not there is a limit on the volume of deadly force once we determine that deadly force is justified by the transgression of the offending party(ies)? One way or the other please.

 

[hornadylnl]

Take a good look at the front of that car. A head-on collision should have caused noticeable damage.

On a more general note, I seem to recall just a few days ago the consensus was to heap scorn on an arguably unstable old man who filled two unarmed intruders full of lead after they broke into his home, with an emphasis on the unnecessary volume of fire for the purpose at hand and the apparent intent to see to it that they both died. So, what conclusion do we reach on whether or not there is a limit on the volume of deadly force once we determine that deadly force is justified by the transgression of the offending party(ies)? One way or the other please.

And shooting a car up 8 times over loud music was good.

 

[netsecurity]

Did anyone notice that this ended in a middle school parking lot?

photos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2012/11/31shootingcjpg.html

I bet they were just in a hurry because they were late picking up their kid--well, no, that was a joke. But seriously, it appears the reason for so many bullets could be related to the fact that they were headed into a school at 8:30am. HOWEVER, firing 137 shots in front of a school seems like one of the worst possible thing you could do to protect the children. I mean, we're not even a allowed to carry a gun in a school parking lot.

 

[public servant]

And shooting a car up 8 times over loud music was good.

Those were "urban youths". They had it coming, remember?

 

[hornadylnl]

Those were "urban youths". They had it coming, remember?

Yep. There's a much different reaction here to a guy pulling a gun on kids squealing tires in the neighborhood.