Police: Hug Triggers Officer's Gun, Kills Woman

[techres]

IWB points just behind the wearer in many cases.
Close enough that means it would point at a leg if a person were right behind.
Leg has big artery in it that can bleed out out in less than a minute.
Otherwise the round deflected off of bone and went up into all sorts of important organs.

Sad.

 

[BlueEagle]

Given where she was hit, and that it was IWB....that "hug" seems to be quite a bit more....complicated.

 

[Excalibur]

Given where she was hit, and that it was IWB....that "hug" seems to be quite a bit more....complicated.

You're right. There HAD to have been something more to this. If it was a glomp from behind and if it was a shoulder holster, MAYBE it might have went off it something was caught in the trigger, but IWB, it should have been pointed to the ground. The victim was shot in the chest, into the heart. That means the barrel had to have ended up pointed at her. We're not getting the full picture here

 

[indymike]

Reading that it was IWB makes this seem all the more implausible.

The only scenario I can guess, and it's a stretch, is that first there was an article of clothing in the holster, near the trigger and this was a pretty ****ty holster. She started to wrap her arms around him from behind, her hand hit the butt of the gun and continues forward, the grip goes forward and the muzzle swings up and during this motion, the stuck clothing pulls at the base of the trigger while the muzzle is now pointing 30 to 40 degrees above horizontal.

Freakier things have happened I guess.

 

[Liberty Sanders]

Thinking out loud here...she hugs the guy from behind and takes one in the chest?

I'm wondering if this could have been a horizontal shoulder rig...those damned things have scared the crap out of me since I first laid eyes on one on a brother officer. I remember thinking that it wasn't a matter of IF someone was eventually going to be accidentally shot out of one of those things but WHEN.

 

[Hookeye]

Sounds a bit odd, like stripper stuff gone bad.

 

[Kedric]

With it being an IWB holster....

jealous wife gets upset about young girlie-thing coming up behind her husband?

 

[rvb]

IWB points just behind the wearer in many cases.

Close enough that means it would point at a leg if a person were right behind.
Leg has big artery in it that can bleed out out in less than a minute.
Otherwise the round deflected off of bone and went up into all sorts of important organs.

Sad.

Reading that it was IWB makes this seem all the more implausible.

The only scenario I can guess, and it's a stretch, is that first there was an article of clothing in the holster, near the trigger and this was a pretty ****ty holster. She started to wrap her arms around him from behind, her hand hit the butt of the gun and continues forward, the grip goes forward and the muzzle swings up and during this motion, the stuck clothing pulls at the base of the trigger while the muzzle is now pointing 30 to 40 degrees above horizontal.

Freakier things have happened I guess.

"Police said that Miller hugged the officer -- whose name has not been released -- from behind as he was dancing, and the gun discharged."

you all need to turn on some MTV or something. "dancing" and "hugging".... picture kneeling down, face at belt level. gun can still be pointed down and go into the heart. My $ is on "more to the story," however.

You all are picturing:

When you should be picturing:

-rvb

 

[fullmetaljesus]

You're right. There HAD to have been something more to this. If it was a glomp from behind and if it was a shoulder holster, MAYBE it might have went off it something was caught in the trigger, but IWB, it should have been pointed to the ground. The victim was shot in the chest, into the heart. That means the barrel had to have ended up pointed at her. We're not getting the full picture here

maybe he was doing a hand stand and she gave him a big hug....sounds reasonable to me....

 

[CarmelHP]

Yeah, I know, but "should" he be on admin leave?

Why not? Don't you think his life should be destroyed?

 

[Citizen711]

I like how they quoted mom as saying that her daughter had every right to be celebrating her birthday, like somehow, someone was trying to deny her that.

 

[WC Deer Hunter]

She hugged him from "behind"?
Just out of curiosity, why is the officer on admin leave?

Says he's on administrative duties, is that the same as leave? I though that meant he was working a desk?

Stephens said the Detroit officer will remain on administrative duties while authorities investigate the shooting and report their findings to the Wayne County prosecutor.

You're right. There HAD to have been something more to this. If it was a glomp from behind and if it was a shoulder holster, MAYBE it might have went off it something was caught in the trigger, but IWB, it should have been pointed to the ground. The victim was shot in the chest, into the heart. That means the barrel had to have ended up pointed at her. We're not getting the full picture here

The full picture can only be shown on a xxx adult site from the sounds of the assumptions here. Makes sense to me.

 

[El-Cigarro]

Sounds FISHY to me.....

 

[indykid]

I am still trying to picture someone with their front up against someone's back, and a firearm going off that was pointed rearward enough to cause a chest impact.

An IWB firearm would have to be pointed up to puncture a lung and heart. I can't picture how a hug from behind could cause a properly, or even improperly installed IWB holster to rotate that far. And then what could cause the trigger to be pulled.

A shoulder rig would have the pistol facing rear, and I could stretch to see that when she gave him a hug, her hand grabbed the pistol causing it to slide out of the holster enough for her own finger to push the trigger, but even in that scenario the weapon should have pointed away from her, not to her.

There is something seriously not right in this story.

Ricochet?

 

[bingley]

The full picture can only be shown on a xxx adult site from the sounds of the assumptions here. Makes sense to me.

It doesn't have to so NSFW, but it sounds like there was some horseplay involved. Perhaps some birthday wrestling? The officer was bent over, perhaps on all fours, and the woman was behind attempting to mount him. Maybe he was getting away, and she put her arms around his waist, intending to eventually transition to the side, flip him over, pin his shoulders down, start the count...

This is the only way I can align the barrel with the chest.

 

[CX1]

This is the only way I can align the barrel with the chest.

Ever consider the man may have been on an elevated platform such as a raised dance floor?
Or on some stairs?
Or as she approached him she stumbled and was in the process of falling as she reached for him?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You mean to tell me that guns are dangerous?

Unpossible!

I've been reading this gun expurt forum, INGO, and they say guns never fire if fingers are not on triggers. You guys mean to tell me that they can fire without fingers on triggers? I . . . am . . . shocked.

 

[bingley]

Ever consider the man may have been on an elevated platform such as a raised dance floor?
Or on some stairs?
Or as she approached him she stumbled and was in the process of falling as she reached for him?

The first two scenarios are not impossible, but it seems that the difference in height would have to be big enough that there would be no "hugging."

The last scenario is plausible, but then that should be reported as "woman falls, grabs on to officer to balance, accidentally pulling the trigger of the gun in his waistband," rather than woman was hugging him/her from behind.

There are probably other possibilities, and all we have to go on is what appears to be a very incomplete, possibly misleading article.

 

[rambone]

I clicked the article and found this ad.

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[revance]

News now says it was a "neoprene type holster".

Apparently Detroit cops need paid more so they can afford real holsters.

Of course the got a great quote from the mom questioning why one needs a gun in their own home... puke.

People, please use this as a good excuse to go buy a quality holster if you dont already have one. Its simply an expense of being a responsible gun carrier.