People struggle to pay heating bills in sub-zero temperatures

[frenchiectfd2203]

Personally I just want to move to the southern states and never have to worry about being below freezing. At least not as much as Indiana.

 

[MisterChester]

Coal baby....coal. It's cheap, we have about 300 years worth, and it makes sense.

What happens after 300 years?

 

[mrjarrell]

The power plant down the road from my house made the switch from coal to NG back in the Bush admin. Must have seen a need to do it that didn't involve the Obama admins EPA. Lots of plants have converted to NG from coal. Guess they have their own reasons.

 

[MisterChester]

These greener resources are so unreliable anyway. I mean, solar power?? Come on man! Everybody knows the sun goes away each day and it doesn't tell us where it's going!!

 

[churchmouse]

The power plant down the road from my house made the switch from coal to NG back in the Bush admin. Must have seen a need to do it that didn't involve the Obama admins EPA. Lots of plants have converted to NG from coal. Guess they have their own reasons.

Cleaner. Easier to control. Less maint. Less equip. to run the plant. EPA is out of their a$$ when they switch.
Trust me, the EPA has much to do with them retro to NG.

 

[mrjarrell]

Cleaner. Easier to control. Less maint. Less equip. to run the plant. EPA is out of their a$$ when they switch.
Trust me, the EPA has much to do with them retro to NG.

Maybe, but if they do it's not something new. They've been making that switch for many years now and through more than one administration.

 

[funeralweb]

There is plenty of propane supply, but not the means to distribute it?
Please.

Could be that we're in the middle of the changeover from winter propane to summer blend....

 

[churchmouse]

Maybe, but if they do it's not something new. They've been making that switch for many years now and through more than one administration.

You rarely see black or even dark grey smoke from a stack on a coal fired plant. The EPA since it's inception has been pushing these plants to clean up the particulates released in the smoke. Huge (and stupid expensive) scrubbers had to be installed or equally large fines and restrictions were levied.
Yes, this has been ongoing regardless of who is in the big boy chair.

 

[funeralweb]

Or maybe it should be entitled The High Cost of Being Green.

When the utility companies told us over the years, as we threw ever increasing environmental standards at them, prices would rise...we got what we asked for. We voted for politicians that were OK enacting laws that would necessarily cause electrical rates to sky rocket.

Yeah, I know that part of the high cost of fuel are because of growing affluence of the Far East, etc. But to a large extent, to avoid global warming, many shiver in their houses because they can't afford to pay their heating bills.

People struggle to pay heating bills in sub-zero temperatures - 13 WTHR Indianapolis

Meanwhile, on the other side of the mother ship, Chinese citizens are wearing smog masks as they labor to fill next week's Wal-Mart order.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You rarely see black or even dark grey smoke from a stack on a coal fired plant. The EPA since it's inception has been pushing these plants to clean up the particulates released in the smoke. Huge (and stupid expensive) scrubbers had to be installed or equally large fines and restrictions were levied.
Yes, this has been ongoing regardless of who is in the big boy chair.

The fact our air doesn't look like that of China is a good thing. I guess the argument of if this would have happened without government involvement is a topic for another thread but now we're not just trying to clean the air, we're trying to prevent global calamity we never started and certainly can't stop.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Meanwhile, on the other side of the mother ship, Chinese citizens are wearing smog masks as they labor to fill next week's Wal-Mart order.

I think that's from effects of industrialization far more than from electric power generation.

 

[Bunnykid68]

What happens after 300 years?

Coal is like oil, it is always being replenished naturally. The problem is can we get it out of the ground fast enough to make good use of it or faster than it can be replenished

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Coal is like oil, it is always being replenished naturally. The problem is can we get it out of the ground fast enough to make good use of it or faster than it can be replenished

That and technology is changing so fast, there'll probably be something ready to take it place. Maybe if we allowed people to keep more of their money instead of being forced to give it to wealth redistribution schemes like this, caused by the .gov, the market would have more capital to invest and innovate.

 

[churchmouse]

The fact our air doesn't look like that of China is a good thing. I guess the argument of if this would have happened without government involvement is a topic for another thread but now we're not just trying to clean the air, we're trying to prevent global calamity we never started and certainly can't stop.

I am all for the clean smoke stacks. These plants are operating so much cleaner and efficiently now. These up-grades have been reflected in our energy costs but I can not complain especially when I see the pics of "Smogageddon" from China.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I am all for the clean smoke stacks. These plants are operating so much cleaner and efficiently now. These up-grades have been reflected in our energy costs but I can not complain especially when I see the pics of "Smogageddon" from China.

Most wouldn't complain about clean smoke stacks. But when is clean, clean enough?

 

[richardraw316]

I'm a little confused. I am budget bill system. I paid 60 dollars a month for gas all summer. The last three months I have had a gas bill of zero and this month 26 dollars. I keep my place at 70 and it is around a thousand square feet.

 

[churchmouse]

Most wouldn't complain about clean smoke stacks. But when is clean, clean enough?

Once a Gov. agency gets a hook into you, when will they stop. Revenue my friend. Fines and fees collected to keep the wheels greased.

My Grand dad said this before he passed away. "what in the hell is everyone so up in the air about. I have never seen things cleaner than right now"
He grew up with coal locomotives and coal heat in every house. I guess it is all a matter of perspective.

 

[churchmouse]

I'm a little confused. I am budget bill system. I paid 60 dollars a month for gas all summer. The last three months I have had a gas bill of zero and this month 26 dollars. I keep my place at 70 and it is around a thousand square feet.

You may have paid more than you have used. They will adjust as they go sometimes. I would call and check. Just in case.

 

[nakinate]

My house, unfortunately, is all electric. My last bill was $428. I'm dreading the next one.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Once a Gov. agency gets a hook into you, when will they stop. Revenue my friend. Fines and fees collected to keep the wheels greased.

My Grand dad said this before he passed away. "what in the hell is everyone so up in the air about. I have never seen things cleaner than right now"
He grew up with coal locomotives and coal heat in every house. I guess it is all a matter of perspective.

Exactly.