I don't do Facebook.
I don’t do it very well.
A judge should have to sign off on any red flag complaint warrant in advance of an officer's visit where firearms confiscation is a consideration.
If an officer runs into an individual in the course of his duties that appears to be a threat to themselves or others, then that individual needs to be arrested for mental evaluation. At which time a judge will be presented with the evidence obtained to review if the individual's Second Amendment rights should be revoked.
People don't think about it.
And many will believe it just as they believe making guns "illegal" will magically get rid of all the guns, and all violence.
Right! The intervention of government is very rarely the answer. As far as I know..I have generally been accepted as perfectly sane. I have absolutely no criminal history...but a false claim made against me that brought about some confiscation of my property would be hard to tolerate. It would not be possible to prevent me from owning a firearm at all..unless I was confined in some way.
If a person is found to be dangerous to others and his firearms are confiscated why would they leave this dangerous person in our society? Why is this person not locked up behind bars? If said person is so dangerous taking his firearms is nothing they will get more somewhere else to do dangerous things to others.
So tell me how Red Flag laws work by leaving a crazy on the streets and in our neighborhood?
Or is it just another scam to confiscate firearms as they please from whomever they please?
If a person is found to be dangerous to others and his firearms are confiscated why would they leave this dangerous person in our society? Why is this person not locked up behind bars? If said person is so dangerous taking his firearms is nothing they will get more somewhere else to do dangerous things to others.
So tell me how Red Flag laws work by leaving a crazy on the streets and in our neighborhood?
Or is it just another scam to confiscate firearms as they please from whomever they please?
Right! The intervention of government is very rarely the answer. As far as I know..I have generally been accepted as perfectly sane. I have absolutely no criminal history...but a false claim made against me that brought about some confiscation of my property would be hard to tolerate. It would not be possible to prevent me from owning a firearm at all..unless I was confined in some way.
What if the person is only dangerous to themselves, i.e. suicidal?
Also, I'm not sure if "dangerous" is binary, i.e. is or isn't.
Thankfully here in Indiana it takes more than that. Unfortunately "knowingly providing false information" that someone is dangerous according to IC 35-47-14-1 isn't against the law, since being dangerous according to IC 35-47-14-1 isn't a crime.
Have you not read the law? It's not just some anonymous tip that gets the deed done.
The point I think is being asked is if the person is truly dangerous to themselves or others, then ONLY taking away his/her guns is window dressing. Maybe that is what is necessary but one doesn’t need much of an imagination to conjure up other means for acting out that danger. If the person has expressed suicidal or homicidal threats, and they’re truly credible, then all sorts of devices capable of carrying out those threats ought to be confiscated...right? That is, unless this is a gun confiscation scheme disguised as a mental health initiative.
ETA: And I’m not even one of those that believe there’s NEVER a time when a person’s guns should be removed for safe keeping. There surely are. I AM one of the ones that believe this push for red flag laws is sophistry. It is using a means that has rare application to play the game of those law and order types to advance a means for making it easier to confiscate peoples’ guns, all [wink...wink...nudge...nudge] legal-like.
So, who is "wink...wink...nudge...nudge"ing?
Those gun grabbers and “I’m all for the Second Amendment but-ers” that are pushing these laws all over the country now. If we really believe they’re doing this SOLELY for the safety of the public, I have some swamp land in Florida I want to sell you.
So if this is true, then where is all the evidence of it here in Indiana?
To date, all I've seen is "well, it happened to an INGOer, but no comment", and "Guy's got some stuff on his Facebook page, if you can find it."
I saw one on his Facebook that he had mentioned on the air. This example would be a crime today, because it’s knowingly providing false information about criminal activity. By the person‘s Facebook post, it clearly was SWATTing.My only suggestion is contact Guy Relford if you don’t want to set up a FB account. You might listen to his podcasts. He’s a member of this forum, maybe an IM to him?