Our poll - Parking lot bill

[lashicoN]

Several news organizations are conducting polls on their websites regarding the Senate bill, which would allow employees with a LTCH to legally keep a firearm in their car. I thought it was a little strange that we haven't conducted our own poll on the matter, as I'm sure not everyone here sees eye-to-eye.

By the way, I spelled principle wrong...

 

[bigg cheese]

The method should not be as previously stated. The vehicle needs to be declared an extension of the home, and therefore exempt from searches by an employer.

If the police can't search an individual's vehicle without a warrant, why should employers make it a condition of work?

 

[JohnP82]

heck yes we should be able to, but i agree bigg cheese about the method

 

[dhnorris]

I don't think it should be limited to LTCH I think the personal vehicle should be treated as an extension of the home with no permit required for any firearm as long as it stays in the vehicle.

 

[Bill of Rights]

By the way, I spelled principle wrong...

You did?

 

[dustjunky2000]

After a lot of mulling over this issue, I agree that the vehicle should be recognized as an extension of the home, as it is already not subject to random search by the employer, what is inside of it should not be a concern to them.

 

[lashicoN]

You did?

haha, thanks for that, Bill.

 

[38special]

As I have said in previous threads, these RIGHTS can coexist (private property and right to bear arms). They do not need to be thought of as separate rights. My exercising my right to bear arms does not take away the store owner's right to own private property. These are both constitutional rights NOT to be infringed upon.

In short, YES.

 

[pinshooter45]

One Basic Problem!

After a lot of mulling over this issue, I agree that the vehicle should be recognized as an extension of the home, as it is already not subject to random search by the employer, what is inside of it should not be a concern to them.

Indiana is an employment at will state! If an Employer wants to search you vehicle you can refuse, but they can fire you too! As I've had more the one Lawyer say an employer can fire you for wearing a green shirt if the want too. and unless you are protected by a Union or Private contract no judge can make your employer give you your job back! You can still get unemployment if the cause is not just. But your still unemployed! I agree though My car is my personal property and no employer has a right to come into my home univited!

 

[bigg cheese]

While that's true, remember that in Indiana, your car is not considered part of your home.

 

[tv1217]

Voted yes. Currently, I could be fired if my employer found I had a gun in my personal vehicle, whether that's during a search or if it got broken into and I reported it amongst the stolen items on a police report. Currently I don't even bother because of this. My safety is their responsibility when I'm on the clock, but that 45 minutes between there and home they don't care about.

 

[SedahDrol]

This is an obvious no-brainer. Businesses have no rights only people do. Businesses merely have privileges that we grant them we can give them and we can them away. That's the one fact people tend to forget.

 

[lashicoN]

This is an obvious no-brainer. Businesses have no rights only people do. Businesses merely have privileges that we grant them we can give them and we can them away. That's the one fact people tend to forget.

Actually, I couldn't possibly disagree more. How do you grant businesses anything? I think a privately owned business should be able to do just about anything they want with their own property as long as it doesn't harm others.

Can I take away your business or home if I want to? No, because it isn't mine and I don't grant you any PRIVATE property. You earned it and you alone own it.

I also believe that any business who has stupid policies, such as, LTCH holders can't keep a loaded handgun in their locked vehicle in the company parking lot, should be boycotted, but I don't necessary agree that we should make a law telling them what to do with their private property. This instance differs a little bit from a normal issue, because it involves our right to keep and bear arms though.

 

[Ashkelon]

I voted no

I voted no as a small business owner that has about 10 staff members at any given time.

I have advised my 2 co-owners and our staff members that if they obtain a valid license and have accepted the responsibility of ownership then I do not want it in the parking lot. I expect you to bring it in with you. It should never be left unsecured or potentially unsecured.

 

[Robert Richardson]

Sorry wrong Quote

 

[miguel]

Be sure to contact your State Rep to indicate support for HB1065: Introduced Version, House Bill 1065

 

[Robert Richardson]

I voted no as a small business owner that has about 10 staff members at any given time.

I have advised my 2 co-owners and our staff members that if they obtain a valid license and have accepted the responsibility of ownership then I do not want it in the parking lot. I expect you to bring it in with you. It should never be left unsecured or potentially unsecured.

I meant this one.Other than this response,why would anyone vote "no"?

 

[44 MAGNUM SHOOTER]

Be sure to contact your State Rep to indicate support for HB1065: Introduced Version, House Bill 1065

My rep is John Barnes(D) I believe. The person the answered the phone said he is in support of it.. We'll see..

 

[Bill of Rights]

My rep is John Barnes(D) I believe. The person the answered the phone said he is in support of it.. We'll see..

Here's the roll call vote of the committee.

What "We'll see" is whether or not Pat Bauer allows these bills to come to a vote on the House floor. In the absence of those votes being allowed, we will see precisely nothing... kinda like last year when this came up and so many state Senators (42-8!) voted for the parking lot bill because they knew Bauer would not let it come to the floor.

It will be interesting to see if they voted for it last year and against it this year...which will expose last year for the political "cover" it was.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Bill of Rights]

The vote on 2009's SB 11 Indiana General Assembly:


INDIANA STATE SENATE
Roll Call Number: 103 Date: 02/17/2009
Time: 3:30:28 PM
SB 11
Nugent
3rd Reading
Firearms in locked vehicles.
Presiding: President
YEAS - 42 NAYS - 8
PASSED
YEAS - 42
Alting Head Lubbers Stutzman
Arnold Hershman Merritt Taylor
Becker Holdman Miller Walker
Boots Hume Mishler Waltz
Bray Kenley Mrvan Waterman
Buck Kruse Nugent Yoder
Charbonneau Landske Paul Young, M
Deig Lawson Randolph Young, R
Delph Leising Sipes Zakas
Dillon Lewis Skinner
Gard Long Steele
NAYS - 8
Breaux Errington Rogers Tallian
Broden Lanane Simpson Wyss