Our Country And Communities Are Dying...

[Tombs]

I believe my original point has been lost. (Go figure, on INGO? LOL)

The point was that when all the businesses are controlled by those that outside the area it is bad for the community and now with all this globalization, bad for the country.

We need to break up many of these financial conglomerates that own enough to control at monopoly levels. They will strangle our communities and never even have to concern themselves about even hearing about it much less seeing it...

But the so-called conservatives will be screaming communism if you threaten to break up multinational corporations and force them to operate locally.

 

[jwamplerusa]

But the so-called conservatives will be screaming communism if you threaten to break up multinational corporations and force them to operate locally.

Really? Why?

Businesses, or any organization, is not a citizen they do not have rights and should not be accorded same. I have no problem with large corporations, especially multinational ones, being broken up.

Anything done to separate the elected representatives of the people from non-citizens is almost always a positive. That is especially so when those non-citizens have large sums of money that they can use to corrupt the ostensible servants of the people.

 

[Alpo]

Kill Citizen's United!

 

[Ingomike]

But the so-called conservatives will be screaming communism if you threaten to break up multinational corporations and force them to operate locally.

And just where has that idological purity gotten us? A benifit of getting old is being able to see what a crock they BS they sold me when I was young...

 

[Ingomike]

Kill Citizen's United!

And outlaw Unions participation in politics, especially as government employees...

 

[buckwacker]

Kill Citizen's United!

There has to be a balance and I'm not sure how to strike it. A majority of voters shouldn't be able to pillage the rights and wealth of corporations using the force of government any more than corporations should be able to buy government to control or manipulate citizens.

 

[Alpo]

There has to be a balance and I'm not sure how to strike it. A majority of voters shouldn't be able to pillage the rights and wealth of corporations using the force of government any more than corporations should be able to buy government to control or manipulate citizens.

I hear you. Coporations have employees who pay taxes and the corporation pays the employees benefits, which include taxes. However, a corporation should not have rights tantamount to a citizen, which is exactly what CU gives them.

As to whether they should pay income taxes....that's a much longer argument.

 

[grillak]

Really? Why?

Businesses, or any organization, is not a citizen they do not have rights and should not be accorded same. I have no problem with large corporations, especially multinational ones, being broken up.

Anything done to separate the elected representatives of the people from non-citizens is almost always a positive. That is especially so when those non-citizens have large sums of money that they can use to corrupt the ostensible servants of the people.

over the last 50 or so years the government has blurred the lines between corpprations and the citizenry. when the term "corporate citizen" was introduced i knew we, the citizens, were going to be screwed. there were a few chapters explaining the difference between the two in high school econ and civics classes.

what are considered "corporate citizens" today are legalized monopolies.

"we're citizens just like you!"

 

[Tombs]

And just where has that idological purity gotten us? A benifit of getting old is being able to see what a crock they BS they sold me when I was young...

Well you don't have to convince me, I mean it's the no.1 reason for my signature.

Conservatives need to learn that small locally owned business and corporations are not the same thing.
And that privatization of everything is not always the best answer to the problem, as it is a larger expansion of government and authority than a public solution would be. Since those "private" corporations end up being a part of the government anyway, in the end. And unlike a public solution, their primary motive is money and expansion, which is ultimately going to be an infinite expansion of the state, with your tax dollars paving the way.

 

[buckwacker]

I hear you. Coporations have employees who pay taxes and the corporation pays the employees benefits, which include taxes. However, a corporation should not have rights tantamount to a citizen, which is exactly what CU gives them.

As to whether they should pay income taxes....that's a much longer argument.

I don't think claiming corps have the exact same rights as citizens is accurate. They can't vote in elections (at least literally), they don't affect apportionment are just a couple rights they don't have.

 

[Alpo]

I don't think claiming corps have the exact same rights as citizens is accurate. They can't vote in elections (at least literally), they don't affect apportionment are just a couple rights they don't have.

They don't need apportionment. They have PACs and don't die.

Or shed blood on battlefields.

 

[buckwacker]

They don't need apportionment. They have PACs and don't die.

Or shed blood on battlefields.

And citizens can vote to steal corporation's revenue and hamstring them with regulations. Like I said there has to be a balance.

 

[Tombs]

And citizens can vote to steal corporation's revenue and hamstring them with regulations. Like I said there has to be a balance.

It's usually the other way around. People are told the corporation is being plundered while they receive billions in tax payer dollars, and pretend they're the injured party.

The world doesn't work that way.

 

[JTScribe]

Columbus lost its last attraction to me when Mark Pi's closed.

Same owners opened a new location where Texas Roadhouse used to be.

 

[ancjr]

Same owners opened a new location where Texas Roadhouse used to be.

Where did Texas Roadhouse used to be? I have catching up to do!

 

[buckwacker]

It's usually the other way around. People are told the corporation is being plundered while they receive billions in tax payer dollars, and pretend they're the injured party.

The world doesn't work that way.

Well to my point, if that's the case, that just means things are out of balance. We could vote in communism and have the state take control of the corps, or some variation on that, but we would have gone the other way. Balance.

 

[Tombs]

Well to my point, if that's the case, that just means things are out of balance. We could vote in communism and have the state take control of the corps, or some variation on that, but we would have gone the other way. Balance.

If we voted in communism, the state would just take the assets of the middle class and give it to the poor while the rich were left exempt, and the corporations would be called nationalized when in reality they'd control the government.

 

[buckwacker]

If we voted in communism, the state would just take the assets of the middle class and give it to the poor while the rich were left exempt, and the corporations would be called nationalized when in reality they'd control the government.

The rich ruleth over the poor.

But it's never the same rich. The new PTB take force the wealth of corporations\owners and make it theirs by power of the new state.

 

[BugI02]

There has to be a balance and I'm not sure how to strike it. A majority of voters shouldn't be able to pillage the rights and wealth of corporations using the force of government any more than corporations should be able to buy government to control or manipulate citizens.

Aggregating entities should never be allowed to donate to or fund politicians. Both unions and corporations should be held to the same contribution limits as an individual - including contributions in kind such as the labor of members or employees

Campaigns should have to appeal to each individual citizen for funding. I would wager letting organizations lobby and contribute goes directly against (and overwhelms) at least 1/3 of the memberships views (or more)

 

[BugI02]

They don't need apportionment. They have PACs and don't die.

Or shed blood on battlefields.

Spot on! No corporation has the same priorities as a citizen/patriot and has less personal skin in the game - even the ones that are most directly an extension of their owners personalities