Offered an Illegal SBR on trade. What to do?

[Hoosierman]

So it seems as if the consensus is to ignore it. T.Lex hit the nail on the head though, I'm worried about the guy that he trades/sells it to that hasn't been informed of the illegality of that gun. I would report it to the website, but he responded to an ad that I posted. He doesn't have it posted anywhere on the particular site, I looked. All I have is the phone number he texted me from.

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

So it seems as if the consensus is to ignore it. T.Lex hit the nail on the head though, I'm worried about the guy that he trades/sells it to that hasn't been informed of the illegality of that gun. I would report it to the website, but he responded to an ad that I posted. He doesn't have it posted anywhere on the particular site, I looked. All I have is the phone number he texted me from.

Maybe he's a little dense. I say give him one more chance. Text him one last time with:
"Hey man how's it goin? I don't want to step on your toes or anything but us fellow gun enthusiasts need to help each other out sometimes. I think it would be in your best interest to obtain the proper paperwork, you need to check out IC...etc...etc...etc...blah blah blah"

or something to that effect...

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah - and there's one more thing you might want to do - identify him and the area he's in.

That's a bit of a thorny issue, too, but the idea is that if enough INGOers know who/where he is, we can help family/friends from getting snakebit.

Oh, something else I just thought of - tell him he'd get a great deal if he traded it to a LGS. I kinda think that the FFLs need to know the rights and wrongs and someone there might be able to help him get it straight. (Purple as necessary.)

 

[Scutter01]

I'm worried about the guy that he trades/sells it to that hasn't been informed of the illegality of that gun.

It seems like we're forgiving the ignorance of the buyer but not that of the seller. The buyer should know the law before he buys the gun. Aren't they both equally guilty of ignorance? You can't fix stupid. I'd ignore it and move on.

 

[xM3RC1L3SS1x]

I'd try my best to inform him of the laws. If he doesn't want to listen then its on him.

 

[calcot7]

Have him take the butt-stock off and leave it at home and trade it as a pistol?

 

[HoughMade]

Isn't the OP and perhaps all of us, now an accessory?

I'm not going to wade into this because I won't be accused of giving legal advice to someone not a formal client, but all I'll say is- I'm not going to have any trouble sleeping tonight.

According to U.S.C. 38 F. 2d 515, 517; 18.....

...and that's a heck of a cite.

 

[T.Lex]

Have him take the butt-stock off and leave it at home and trade it as a pistol?

Maybe I'm as guilty of "gun shop" misinformation as the SBR-trader, but I thought that once a lower was identified as a rifle, it couldn't go back to being a pistol.

So, if SBR-trader's lower was actually originally built as a pistol, and had the "bad" stuff added, he may be able to make it go back to being a pistol. But, if it started out as a rifle, it can only be an SBR as configured.

That's just my understanding - I could be wrong. I haven't had the need (or $$) to get into the NFA stuff much.

 

[nsolimini]

The foregrip is on backwards.... RUN from the deal!

 

[Light]

Maybe I'm as guilty of "gun shop" misinformation as the SBR-trader, but I thought that once a lower was identified as a rifle, it couldn't go back to being a pistol.

So, if SBR-trader's lower was actually originally built as a pistol, and had the "bad" stuff added, he may be able to make it go back to being a pistol. But, if it started out as a rifle, it can only be an SBR as configured.

That's just my understanding - I could be wrong. I haven't had the need (or $$) to get into the NFA stuff much.

I'm fairly certain your correct. A rifle cannot be legally converted to a pistol. If the lower is a rifle lower than as long as that upper is on it, it's an SBR.

 

[hornadylnl]

Not sure why the buyer or the seller needs us to nanny them. We hate it when the libs do it to us, maybe we shouldn't do it to others.

 

[churchmouse]

That's what I was thinking. Or perhaps just an idiot.

Or both.

 

[JettaKnight]

I'm pretty sure you should go onto INGO and brag about how you met an idiot stupid enough to offer you an unlicensed SBR.

 

[Shootin'IN]

Did you tell him to order himself one of the Sig AR pistol shooting aids?

It wouldn't help because the front grip makes it an "any other weapon"(AOW) that need to be registered too.

https://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/041006-openletter-nfa-adding-vertical-fore-grip.html