NWI INGO General Thread #26 - Pink Pooping Spiders & Raccons

[Max Volume]

Always felt hydrogen is the way to go, after natural gas. Up in Minnesota on a route to S Dakota, NG is available all the way, aimed at big rigs. Quick Way, I believe, is the gas chain with the natural gas access. GM is working with Autocar on hydrogen trucks.

I used to work on natural gas vehicles. The problem with natural gas is the need for the tanks which must withstand
2200 psi and even the fiberglass ones, though not AS heavy, take up much space and even so the range is very limited.
We had NG pickup trucks and the beds were full of the tanks hence no cargo capacity and range was still very short.
They tried stacking 3 tanks vertically behind the cab or placing two along the frame rails.
Let me just say this. Nipsco gave up on them around 15 years ago and removed all their refueling stations. There's
a hint.
edit: Gas turbine generators for electricity make sense because a pipeline is ran to them.

 

[melensdad]

Doesn't refueling NG cars also involve face shields, gloves, and wristlets?

Or was that just 30 years ago when I had to deal with it?

30 years ago. There is a self service NG station on I65 near Fair Oaks

 

[melensdad]

I used to work on natural gas vehicles. The problem with natural gas is the need for the tanks which must withstand
2200 psi and even the fiberglass ones, though not AS heavy, take up much space and even so the range is very limited.
We had NG pickup trucks and the beds were full of the tanks hence no cargo capacity and range was still very short.
They tried stacking 3 tanks vertically behind the cab or placing two along the frame rails.
Let me just say this. Nipsco gave up on them around 15 years ago and removed all their refueling stations. There's
a hint.
edit: Gas turbine generators for electricity make sense because a pipeline is ran to them.

Hydrogen requires similar tanks

Best way to design a NG or Hydrogen powered vehicle is ground up to accodate the tank(s)

Plenty of NG heavy vehicles out there, city buses too.

I’m not saying it’s the answer. But it probably is a partial answer.

ICE/Hybrid vehicles, like most new Toyotas, are probably the best balance right now. Technology will evolve, but the hybrids seem like a great low cost solution to higher efficiency and good performance with the range needed by many drivers and a 5 minute refill at the standard pump

 

[darkkevin]

Doesn't refueling NG cars also involve face shields, gloves, and wristlets?

Or was that just 30 years ago when I had to deal with it?

there's no smoking signs at gas pumps too but we all see how that goes

 

[aclark]

If anyone is so inclined, Jase is in his 4th year of St. Baldrick's and is asking for donations to shave his head again. He has raised over $6000 total and his goal this year is another $2500. He has been a top student in Crown Point for raising funds every year.

Jase C. | A St. Baldrick's Participant

I'm shaving my head to raise money for childhood cancer research and stand in solidarity with kids fighting cancer! Make a donation to support my fundraising efforts!

www.stbaldricks.org

 

[actaeon277]

there's no smoking signs at gas pumps too but we all see how that goes

The NG I was refueling at, would burn any exposed skin due to the cold temperatures.

 

[actaeon277]

On a side note, our truck had the gas pipe going to the gas tank, but NO GAS TANK.

So, one of the guys was spacing off, went to the gas pump.
Started pumping gas, which started forming a lake of gas under the truck.

 

[melensdad]

On a side note, our truck had the gas pipe going to the gas tank, but NO GAS TANK.

So, one of the guys was spacing off, went to the gas pump.
Started pumping gas, which started forming a lake of gas under the truck.

And was he surprised when he was able to put 50 gallons of gas into the truck???

 

[actaeon277]

And was he surprised when he was able to put 50 gallons of gas into the truck???

I think he was surprised when he noticed the lake had a funny smell.

 

[actaeon277]

And, I think he did put quite a bit on the ground

 

[melensdad]

You'd think the blind could see (the growing puddle of gasoline) and the deaf could hear (the splashing at his feet) but maybe it is too much to ask people to pay attention???

 

[actaeon277]

You'd think the blind could see (the growing puddle of gasoline) and the deaf could hear (the splashing at his feet) but maybe it is too much to ask people to pay attention???

Mills are loud. You're not gonna hear it.

 

[2A_Tom]

Hydrogen requires similar tanks

Best way to design a NG or Hydrogen powered vehicle is ground up to accodate the tank(s)

Plenty of NG heavy vehicles out there, city buses too.

I’m not saying it’s the answer. But it probably is a partial answer.

ICE/Hybrid vehicles, like most new Toyotas, are probably the best balance right now. Technology will evolve, but the hybrids seem like a great low cost solution to higher efficiency and good performance with the range needed by many drivers and a 5 minute refill at the standard pump

Sorry, what is the question?

I have no problem with hybrids.

 

[Bugzilla]

Hydrogen requires similar tanks

Best way to design a NG or Hydrogen powered vehicle is ground up to accodate the tank(s)

Plenty of NG heavy vehicles out there, city buses too.

I’m not saying it’s the answer. But it probably is a partial answer.

ICE/Hybrid vehicles, like most new Toyotas, are probably the best balance right now. Technology will evolve, but the hybrids seem like a great low cost solution to higher efficiency and good performance with the range needed by many drivers and a 5 minute refill at the standard pump

I believe the newer hydrogen vehicles are using a fuel cell. Not sure if they have the hp tanks.

 

[melensdad]

I have no problem with hybrids.

Neither do I, bought one a few months ago.

 

[melensdad]

I believe the newer hydrogen vehicles are using a fuel cell. Not sure if they have the hp tanks.

Image of a Honda hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. See the tank?


Here is a cut away image of a Toyota hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. See the tank?

 

[mmpsteve]

Neither do I, bought one a few months ago.

I'm sure you said, but which one did you get? I should remember, but it was a few months ago!

.

 

[melensdad]

I'm sure you said, but which one did you get? I should remember, but it was a few months ago!

.

Got the grandpa SUV from Toyota. The Venza. A SUV that should never be driven off road. Picked up the Limited version, with add on accessories. Basically a nice, luxury version of the Toyota RAV4; same drive train, different sheet metal and much upgraded cabin.

 

[hoosierdaddy1976]

If anyone is so inclined, Jase is in his 4th year of St. Baldrick's and is asking for donations to shave his head again. He has raised over $6000 total and his goal this year is another $2500. He has been a top student in Crown Point for raising funds every year.

Jase C. | A St. Baldrick's Participant

I'm shaving my head to raise money for childhood cancer research and stand in solidarity with kids fighting cancer! Make a donation to support my fundraising efforts!

www.stbaldricks.org

This will be year 11 for me. My 12 year old was diagnosed at 4.5 months. Doing great now, and this is the least I can do to help others.

 

[mmpsteve]

On a side note, our truck had the gas pipe going to the gas tank, but NO GAS TANK.

So, one of the guys was spacing off, went to the gas pump.
Started pumping gas, which started forming a lake of gas under the truck.

How do you handle a big spill like that? Foam? Evaporation?

Kitty Litter?

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