Nationalize Healthcare

[MinuteManMike]

You want nationalized health care?

Then answer me one simple question:

Name ONE problem that the Federal Government has actually fixed that they didn't create themselves beforehand.

 

[Vigilant]

Call me crazy, or whatever else you desire, but I posted this in another thread, and I guess it fits better here.

Oh, I don't know, how about everyone get a job and actually PAY for your health care premiums like I do? My health care premiums are paid for 100% by me, I make decent money, but my employer cannot afford to pay my salary, AND healthcare benefits, so I did what any enterprising individual would, I shopped around for a plan that fit my needs, and my budget, and I wrote a check. I know it's a tough pill to swallow, you know, taking care of yourself, but...

The guvmint can't run itself, how the hell do you think they can run your healthcare?

 

[HICKMAN]

Until they can make the VA system work I will be strongly against national health care.

Amen brother, we can't take care of our nation's heroes, we shouldn't even attempt anything else...

 

[zimzum]

Our current system offers health care for those who are wealthy and can afford it, health care for those who are too poor to pay for it (the tab picked up by the government (you know, our tax dollars at work )), and none for the majority of us who are somewhere in the middle (unless we're willing to become destitute or go into unreasonable debt).

84% of the nation has insurance. Most of those in the middle who say they can't afford it are able to take on car payments, cable bills, credit card bills, etc. I see no reason why I should help with their insurance.

After all that rambling, my beef is that healthcare isn't affordable to the average joe. What's the solution: I'm not sure, but the status quo isn't working, so I'm willing to give something reasonable a try. We already have many socialized services: police, fire, and mail, so let's give healthcare a try.

The most efficient system that you named is fire dept. Wouldn't you know it, 2/3 of the nations fire departments are volunteer. As far as the U.S. postal service goes, well they're raising the price of stamps for the 4th year in a row. What's that tell you?

 

[tedbower]

Employers and government need to get out of healthcare. Let everyone purchase healthcare insurance just like their life, auto, homeowners,renters,boat,rv, etc ,etc. You will see the price come down when you let the free market work.

 

[jeremy]

Employers and government need to get out of healthcare. Let everyone purchase healthcare insurance just like their life, auto, homeowners,renters,boat,rv, etc ,etc. You will see the price come down when you let the free market work.

No sh*t someone speaks the truth here!

 

[Archaic_Entity]

Employers and government need to get out of healthcare. Let everyone purchase healthcare insurance just like their life, auto, homeowners,renters,boat,rv, etc ,etc. You will see the price come down when you let the free market work.

You know, I entirely agree. I've pretty much felt that if I had my say over who got my money, then I'd get better choices. As is, I have no say, except for the few companies that do allow you to pick your own insurance with them--only they're ridiculously expensive in comparison.

 

[redneckmedic]

We also have extremely high levels of government and regulatory oversight in health care. I am not proposing complete deregulation, but the current system has such Byzantine regulations and enormous amounts of certification, re-certification, and bureaucracy that add tremedously to cost while doing little to improve safety.

The nationalized version sucks, look at the VA, and here in Indy the county hospital and the "wishard advantage plan" its horrible and doesn't work. Too many people go without regular exams and preventitive medical needs. Its set up to fail. Not to mention the high rate of abusers!!!!!

 

[rambone]

No such thing as "trying" it...

I can't wait for socialized medicine.

We already have many socialized services: police, fire, and mail, so let's give healthcare a try.

Your liberty is being threatened, the freedom to choose your doctor and receive the best health care in a competitive market. When Government is the only way, they will be less efficient, less effective, & less expedient. What I'm saying is that this is a very important issue and there is no turning back once you give up a good thing.


Two Ronald Reagan quotes you should read and think about:

The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.

The thing about Government programs, is that there is no such thing as "trying" them. Once they exist, they only want to grow. Once you give your government control over you, good luck getting it back.

The goal of Welfare should be to eliminate the need for its own existence.

Welfare hurts more people than it helps. The more you give them, the more they think they are entitled to. You teach them to depend on the Government, and they never learn to take care of themselves. It trains people to be sheep who wait in lines for handouts and to vote for democrats.

 

[rambone]

Please take a look at the Republican alternative to Socialized Medicine.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...lican_alternative_to_socialized_medicine.html

 

[03mustgt]

My theory about the problems of our current system.

1. Greed- Doctors,Hospitals, Insurance, Pharmacies, etc
2. Fat People
3. Smokers and Tobacco Product users
4. Illegal Immigrants
5. Abuse of the system


This country has great healthcare if you can afford it. If you cant then you get average or below average care.

My solution: More government.
Tax fat people, tax smokers/tobbacco users more, and eliminate the abuse of the system.

I am for national healthcare/ more gov. in our healthcare.

Health care for the average Person in the US is determined by our insurance companies not our Doctors.

The question you have to ask yourself is do you want your healthcare in the hands of a businessman or a politician. I want mine in the hands of a Doctor but unfortunately I am not in the upper class.

-Chris

 

[El Cazador]

The question you have to ask yourself is do you want your healthcare in the hands of a businessman or a politician. I want mine in the hands of a Doctor but unfortunately I am not in the upper class.

Our government schools, crankin' them out... Do you kids even read what you type to see if it makes a bit of sense before you click "Post Reply"?

 

[Archaic_Entity]

You know, I have another question--based off of everything I'd been reading the past couple of days.

How does anyone plan to turn health care back to a free market, exactly? The employers are already in with the insurance companies. They seem to have a good arrangement and don't look to be changing any time soon--without government forcing them to. So... who's going to get them to open up to a true free market and let me pick who and what I want?

Any ideas? I mean... I read the Republican solution, it seems better than the Democrat's one, but it definitely doesn't work that great. So... I pretty much get the same health care I've already had, only now I have a tax credit that pays for it... great. That doesn't treat the cause, just the symptoms. It'll only elongates the issue by giving the companies a reason to keep things the way they are. How do we actually change the system in which the insurance companies and the employers work?

 

[tedbower]

I would be willing to bet most employers would get out of health care if they could. The system we have now we cant afford to buy it ourselves individually.

 

[03mustgt]

Our government schools, crankin' them out... Do you kids even read what you type to see if it makes a bit of sense before you click "Post Reply"?

OH MY WE HAVE A GRAMMAR NAZI on our hands. howz do uz likez my grammarrr nowwwz bish?

Yes sir, I am a product of goverment schools, also graduated in the top of my class, and I also graduated with a respectable GPA from a big ten school. So kiss my ass.


Also if you are not going to contribute to this thread please leave. Thanks, Goodbye.

and yes i did read it didu? Makes since to me just fines.

 

[03mustgt]

Our government schools, crankin' them out... Do you kids even read what you type to see if it makes a bit of sense before you click "Post Reply"?

Let me break this down for you.

Insurance Company = Businessman
Politician = Government
Doctor = Guy or Gal that fixes ouchies.

 

[El Cazador]

OH MY WE HAVE A GRAMMAR NAZI on our hands. howz do uz likez my grammarrr nowwwz bish?

Yes sir, I am a product of goverment schools, also graduated in the top of my class, and I also graduated with a respectable GPA from a big ten school. So kiss my ass.


Also if you are not going to contribute to this thread please leave. Thanks, Goodbye.

and yes i did read it didu? Makes since to me just fines.

Well College Boy, you asked if we wanted the choice between a businessman or a politician; an either/or choice. Door one or door two, for you college layabouts watching Bob Barker in the middle of the day. Then you went off into the giggle weeds and said YOU wanted a doctor, a profession NOT in your original offering. You clearly couldn't construct a coherent enough argument to get correct change back from the McDonald's cashier.

I am for national healthcare/ more gov. in our healthcare.

I think you ought to take a sabbatical to Great Britain for five years or so and see how well nationalized (Socialist) healthcare works. It's been proven time and time again that Socialism does not work; not in education (obviously, huh?) in labor, in healthcare, in agriculture, or in politics. It's all about dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator, making everyone equally miserable. Is that what you went to college for?

howz do uz likez my grammarrr nowwwz bish?

This is a lack of proper spelling, not grammar. And a lack of a reasoned response to me. Since you can't respond to me with a cogent rebuttal, you fall back on insult. College Boy.

 

[zimzum]

My theory about the problems of our current system.

1. Greed- Doctors,Hospitals, Insurance, Pharmacies, etc
2. Fat People
3. Smokers and Tobacco Product users
4. Illegal Immigrants
5. Abuse of the system


This country has great healthcare if you can afford it. If you cant then you get average or below average care.

My solution: More government.
Tax fat people, tax smokers/tobbacco users more, and eliminate the abuse of the system.

I am for national healthcare/ more gov. in our healthcare.

Health care for the average Person in the US is determined by our insurance companies not our Doctors.

The question you have to ask yourself is do you want your healthcare in the hands of a businessman or a politician. I want mine in the hands of a Doctor but unfortunately I am not in the upper class.

-Chris

I'll give my on a couple of your's.

Fat people. That's your govt. healthcare at work. Ever see the commercial for the Hoveround electric wheelchair? They tell you it won't cost you a dime, medicare pays for it all. That industry makes about $100 billion a year off medicare. Now, ever go to Walmart or the grocery store and see a person in an electric wheelchair/shopping cart and think that the only reason they're in it is because they're too damn fat to walk. When they get that fat it's considered a handicap and medicare (you and I) pays.

Doctors. There have been some cases where a private practice doctor wanted to charge his patients about $75-100 a month for his services and cut out insurance companies altogether. Govt. won't let them. Why? Too much capitalism, not enough free market.

 

[03mustgt]

I'll give my on a couple of your's.

Fat people. That's your govt. healthcare at work. Ever see the commercial for the Hoveround electric wheelchair? They tell you it won't cost you a dime, medicare pays for it all. That industry makes about $100 billion a year off medicare. Now, ever go to Walmart or the grocery store and see a person in an electric wheelchair/shopping cart and think that the only reason they're in it is because they're too damn fat to walk. When they get that fat it's considered a handicap and medicare (you and I) pays.

That goes along with the abuse of the system IMO.

 

[03mustgt]

And a lack of a reasoned response to me. Since you can't respond to me with a cogent rebuttal, you fall back on insult. College Boy.

It is actually alumnus, but I can deal with college boy. I have been called much worse. Actually, 5 years working in healthcare lets me know that our system is flawed.

Back to your initial jab at my lack of grammar and intelligence.

The choice of a doctor as a profession was left out because there is really no system for that. Our current system puts the majority of our healthcare in the hands of a businessman. National healthcare puts it in the hands of a politician. The only people who can afford to put their healthcare in the hands of a doctor are the upper class. Last time I checked the majority of our country is composed of middle and upper class.

There was also supposed to be some irony in my statement of how I wanted my healthcare in the hands of a doctor, because realistically(excluding me winning the lotto) that choice will not happen in either healthcare system I was discussing.

If you want to have a more intelligent debate please pm me and I would be happy to respond.

-College Boy Chris