National ID

[chipbennett]

I was "stopped" in Wash. Sq., a couple years ago, and I learned here on INGO, that is you are not driving, you don't have to show DL.....

He asked me to ID, and I told him my name and where I lived...

He said that wasn't good enough... I said, I don't have to show DL, because I am not driving, so I showed him my Ret., Mil. ID.....

He said that is not good enough..... In fact he asked me, what it was.

I told him, that it was Ret. Mil. ID.... He said if I didn't want to be arrested for Disorderly Conduct, I had better give him, REAL ID, In. DL.....

So I did .....

For what offense was the officer citing you (or had reasonable suspicion that you were committing), that he had statutory authority to demand you to identify yourself? If he was not citing you for (or had reasonable suspicion that you were committing) an offense, he had no authority to demand that you identify yourself. And even if he was citing (or investigating) you for an offense, per the SCOTUS decision in Hiibel, verbally providing your name meets the statutory requirement for identification. (IIRC, providing address is also required, if one is being cited - since the officer needs the address for the citation.)

See also, Brown v Texas, and Terry v Ohio, regarding the reasonable-suspicion standard for an investigatory detention that must precede any compulsion to identify oneself.

 

[jgreiner]

They could just tattoo our arms with a number or barcode........oh wait, that was done before.....

 

[Dyerbill]

Big Brother arrives with a gun in one hand a bible in the other draped in the flag.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Big Brother arrives with a gun in one hand and a bible in the other draped in the flag.

I don't know about this. Big Brother doesn't seem to have much use for the Bible these days aside from serving as a focal point for hostility.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Big Brother arrives with a gun in one hand a bible in the other draped in the flag.

My big brother usually wears Dockers and a sport shirt. (He does carry a gun, but in a holster)

 

[ghuns]

That's called a passport and that's not a bad thing.

I just got my first passport. What somewhat miffs me about it is that I don't need it to get TO my destination in Canada. They are happy to have me and the money I will bring.

What I need it for is to return home.

Home to the country I was born in, issued a SS# in, to the state that issued me a driver's license that meets the REAL ID standards.

It strikes me more as a travel tax than anything else.

 

[mrjarrell]

By next year you may well need your REAL ID compliant ID to do something as simple as board a plane. Don't have one, or are a resident of a state that refused to comply, or comply fully? Then you'll either have to have a compliant or acceptable ID or you won't be allowed to fly. Welkommen to Amerika.

Driver's Licenses From 4 States Could Soon Be Useless For Getting Through Airport Security - Consumerist