National ID cards??

[HICKMAN]

I don't think it should have anything to do with immigration.

National ID could be a replacement for SS card, passports, drivers licences... just like the military does now. I could see it used for voting, maintaining basic health info. I'd love for EMS to be able to know that I'm a heart patient and what medications I am on and what I may be allergic to if they roll up on an accident scene and I'm unconscious or unable to relay that information.

I'm a technology guy and don't buy in to much of the tinfoil hat crap.

This whole "show me your papers" crap is ridiculous... I'm all for one form of ID instead of several that can be forged. Go to any other country in the world and you have to be able to identify yourself. If this helps purge our country of scumbags who shouldn't be here in the first place, I'm all for it.

 

[djl02]

Here's a link with more details:

Dems spark alarm with call for national ID card - TheHill.com


The ACLU is all over this one already.

The American Civil Liberties Union, a civil liberties defender often aligned with the Democratic Party, wasted no time in blasting the plan.

“Creating a biometric national ID will not only be astronomically expensive, it will usher government into the very center of our lives. Every worker in America will need a government permission slip in order to work. And all of this will come with a new federal bureaucracy — one that combines the worst elements of the DMV and the TSA,” said Christopher Calabrese, ACLU legislative counsel.

“America’s broken immigration system needs real, workable reform, but it cannot come at the expense of privacy and individual freedoms,” Calabrese added.

The ACLU said “if the biometric national ID card provision of the draft bill becomes law, every worker in America would have to be fingerprinted.”

It got in high gear after the Patriot Act was put in place. The goverment stuck their nose in our business 2 years ago, and told us we had to get them at the Powerhouse I was working at ,because we had access to the Ohio River. It sucked, made you fell like a felon,finger printed,mug shot,RFID chipand release form. Company said they could tell where we were at at all times with the card and a computer.
Whats next? I'll guess manditory DNA testing? They told us its your choice but if you dont get it You wont be working here. Hard to quit a good paying job like that.

 

[E5RANGER375]

I have a SS# and a passport. Thats all they need to know.

yeah, ive got more intrusive IDs too, but the reason i just mentioned the SS card and the state ID is because those are IDs that you are basicly required to have (or atleast the SS card) and you cant do anything without it in modern society.
i understand that for a job, one might need to have a govt security clearance, and be identified and vetted, but the average citizen should not be subject to "identification" i dont believe. also if we were truely free, would we need to have a passport to leave the country??? We already live under a far more oppressive and out of control govt than our founding fathers could have ever imagined, and actualy tried to prevent from happening, but thanks to us and our relatives through the decades, we have thrown away all most all that they (the founders) gave us through blood!

 

[Bill of Rights]

I don't think it should have anything to do with immigration.

National ID could be a replacement for SS card, passports, drivers licences... just like the military does now. I could see it used for voting, maintaining basic health info. I'd love for EMS to be able to know that I'm a heart patient and what medications I am on and what I may be allergic to if they roll up on an accident scene and I'm unconscious or unable to relay that information.

I'm a technology guy and don't buy in to much of the tinfoil hat crap.

This whole "show me your papers" crap is ridiculous... I'm all for one form of ID instead of several that can be forged. Go to any other country in the world and you have to be able to identify yourself. If this helps purge our country of scumbags who shouldn't be here in the first place, I'm all for it.

I like the EMS angle of it, too, but I'd prefer that be a voluntary thing. If I don't know you're a heart patient from a medic-alert bracelet, I'll know it from that zipper scar on your chest and if you don't have one of those and you're unconscious, you're going on a monitor anyway if I'm your medic.

However...

Today, it's just for immigration. Tomorrow, that won't matter, as all the illegal trespassers will be made citizens. Whatever will they use it for then? Well, as you said, voting, driving, passports... Except for one thing: When you pay for something with a check, you have to show an ID. I've been asked for that with a debit card, too. So you use cash, right? Boy, that whole cash thing... it's just too expensive to keep coining and printing money.. we'll save millions of tax dollars by making it all electronic, esp. since there's no gold standard anymore. So now there's no cash, just credit... Which, conveniently, since the gov't owns the banks now, is tied to your national ID. One less card to carry. So now, anything you buy... anything at all, from soup to nuts and bananas to bullets... there's a record of it.

Call it tinfoil-hatting if you want, but it's far, far too easy... Hell, if *I* can think of it at this late hour when I should be sleeping... They've thought of it years ago.

Sign me up AGAINST this load of manure.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[CountryBoy19]

I like the EMS angle of it, too, but I'd prefer that be a voluntary thing. If I don't know you're a heart patient from a medic-alert bracelet, I'll know it from that zipper scar on your chest and if you don't have one of those and you're unconscious, you're going on a monitor anyway if I'm your medic.

However...

Today, it's just for immigration. Tomorrow, that won't matter, as all the illegal trespassers will be made citizens. Whatever will they use it for then? Well, as you said, voting, driving, passports... Except for one thing: When you pay for something with a check, you have to show an ID. I've been asked for that with a debit card, too. So you use cash, right? Boy, that whole cash thing... it's just too expensive to keep coining and printing money.. we'll save millions of tax dollars by making it all electronic, esp. since there's no gold standard anymore. So now there's no cash, just credit... Which, conveniently, since the gov't owns the banks now, is tied to your national ID. One less card to carry. So now, anything you buy... anything at all, from soup to nuts and bananas to bullets... there's a record of it.

Call it tinfoil-hatting if you want, but it's far, far too easy... Hell, if *I* can think of it at this late hour when I should be sleeping... They've thought of it years ago.

Sign me up AGAINST this load of manure.

Blessings,
Bill

+1
The issue isn't about all the uses it has. It's about the fact that they want to make putting private data on it (medical records etc) mandatory, and then make it mandatory to carry it with you everywhere you go. If it's a voluntary system then go for, people have the right to make a decision for themselves. I choose not to participate in such a thing.

ETA, I think for a lot of us, and especially for me, it comes down to Revelation 13, specifically verses 16-18.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Sorry, not trying to start a religious debate, just pointing out one reason why many people don't want any form of mandatory federal ID.

 

[atkinson3069]

the national id card was something that came about during the bush administration that never got put into place and it doesnt have your place of work and you can go to your local license branch and check it out but it wasnt just the democrats

 

[rambone]

I'd like to skip straight to the forehead chip. Saves me the suspense.

 

[lashicoN]

I don't think it should have anything to do with immigration.

National ID could be a replacement for SS card, passports, drivers licences... just like the military does now. I could see it used for voting, maintaining basic health info. I'd love for EMS to be able to know that I'm a heart patient and what medications I am on and what I may be allergic to if they roll up on an accident scene and I'm unconscious or unable to relay that information.

I'm a technology guy and don't buy in to much of the tinfoil hat crap.

This whole "show me your papers" crap is ridiculous... I'm all for one form of ID instead of several that can be forged. Go to any other country in the world and you have to be able to identify yourself. If this helps purge our country of scumbags who shouldn't be here in the first place, I'm all for it.

You're right. We should adopt the rest of the world's policies on everything. In fact, this whole "let me carry a gun" crap is ridiculous. Go to any other country and you aren't allowed to just walk around with a gun. So what, you have a clean record. The world should be safe and convenient. By the way, I'm sure Germans thought people were crazy when they first started talking about concentration camps. But the hard truth is that human beings are capable of terrible things and it isn't beyond even the Government of the United Stated of America (which is made up of real...err...realish human beings). Just because North Korea or Saudi Arabia is doing something, doesn't mean the United States should. Sorry you have to carry a couple pieces of paper.

Seriously, what the h*ll happened to the land of the free and the home of the brave? What is this place?

 

[theweakerbrother]

RFID Real ID Driver's licenses and social security cards...

What's the difference?

 

[88GT]

Why is it that the libs will fight tooth and nail to prevent illegals from having to identify themselves but won't bat an eye if this thing ever got off the ground?

 

[E5RANGER375]

I like the EMS angle of it, too, but I'd prefer that be a voluntary thing. If I don't know you're a heart patient from a medic-alert bracelet, I'll know it from that zipper scar on your chest and if you don't have one of those and you're unconscious, you're going on a monitor anyway if I'm your medic.

However...

Today, it's just for immigration. Tomorrow, that won't matter, as all the illegal trespassers will be made citizens. Whatever will they use it for then? Well, as you said, voting, driving, passports... Except for one thing: When you pay for something with a check, you have to show an ID. I've been asked for that with a debit card, too. So you use cash, right? Boy, that whole cash thing... it's just too expensive to keep coining and printing money.. we'll save millions of tax dollars by making it all electronic, esp. since there's no gold standard anymore. So now there's no cash, just credit... Which, conveniently, since the gov't owns the banks now, is tied to your national ID. One less card to carry. So now, anything you buy... anything at all, from soup to nuts and bananas to bullets... there's a record of it.

Call it tinfoil-hatting if you want, but it's far, far too easy... Hell, if *I* can think of it at this late hour when I should be sleeping... They've thought of it years ago.

Sign me up AGAINST this load of manure.

Blessings,
Bill

lol, i just wish people who were taking viagra or related drugs would be honest about it so you dont give them their nitro and stop their heart from a sudden loss of blood preasure!!!

i'll proudly wear my tinfoil hat any day!! people need to start listening more to SOME of the statements these "tin foil hat" people are saying!!! might save your azz one day