Must Read! [Patriots] True story (Evansville)

[HK45Mark23]

In my OP there was a link to the authors web page, he is running for state senate, also I referred to the 2nd Amendment Patriots, which is linked at the end of his email and in my signature.

I re-referred to the author and reposted his link.

 

[Bull]

When reading the op I thought the poster was Jim Tomes, there is no reference to a c/p

 

[HK45Mark23]

I referred to it in my conversation. I have also referred to it in other postings of his emails. He skillfully ignored that part of the conversation. Please re read the total thread if you wish.

Thanks for bring more people to read my thread!

 

[HK45Mark23]

Post # 4

I would like to know who the company is as well. I want to ask Jim.

Second post by me!!! Obviously I am not Jim.

And again I said so in Post # 9

 

[jblomenberg16]

Wow really not sure what I just read...anyway, carry on...

 

[scheesman]

I referred to it in my conversation. I have also referred to it in other postings of his emails. He skillfully ignored that part of the conversation. Please re read the total thread if you wish.

Thanks for bring more people to read my thread!

Actually, I was clear you were just posting the contents of an email, and in my opinion that's worse. At least if you had written the email, you could answer the questions or give a reason as to why you couldn't. Instead you just redirect. When you forward information like that on, you'd better be prepared to back it up.

The 5 second thread summary...
You: Here's a true story.
Me: Can you provide facts?
You: Nope, just passing it on.
Me: How can we be sure it's true?
You: I trust the guy.

That's not very convincing of anything, especially when you went and said he's running for office! I'm even less inclined to believe it without facts now.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I call bs. His vehicle was illegally searched? Why didn't he have ammo if he was going to the range? I just don't buy it. And why all the secrecy? Why are you trying to use this as a "reason" to pass legislation when you're not willing to provide facts to back up this story? Sounds like an election year and all the bs stories that go along with political grandstanding.

My negative rep comment:

To impugn the reputation of a man like Jim Tomes is not something I can let slide without a response. This man's contributions are legendary and his integrity is unquestionable.

The man probably does not want to jeopardize his wife's position at the same company and leave the both of them out of work. Why did he not have ammo? Did you consider that maybe he was going to buy some there? There are indoor ranges around. Additionally, it is possible that this man knew his company policy and attempted to stay within the policy by making the rifle inoperable by lack of ammo.

Again, Jim Tomes' contributions to our ability to exercise our rights in Indiana are legendary. He and his group are responsible for changing the law about carry of a firearm on an ATV or farm vehicle. They are responsible for the Lifetime LTCH. They are responsible for killing a bill that would have forced us to have serialized ammo at huge expense. There are many other things he and his group have done, a bunch of farmers sitting in a meeting at a volunteer fire station.

What have YOU done?

Blessings,
Bill

 

[scheesman]

Oh, and I love the negative rep I got for asking for facts! I don't know Jim, and it was no reflection of him personally. Heaven forbid I try to make educated decisions... Guess freedom of speech isn't protected around here, huh?

"To impugn the reputation of a man like Jim Tomes is not something I can let slide without a response. This man's contributions are legendary and his integrity is unquestionable."

Edit: Glad you're proud of your negative rep there, Bill. Hope everyone else sees how immature and narrow-minded your judgment against me and MY quest for facts.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Ooh... Guess I've been kicked out of the [Patriots] threads because I asked too many questions. And I did make change in November 2008, but it's ironic that you use that word when it suits your argument, yet slam us when we do just what you said!

But seriously, just because it says "true story" we're all supposed to blindly accept it? Every question I had is valid and no one has done anything to answer any of them. You have, however, danced around it and made excuses. I've seen everything I need to see...

Well, if by "making change" you refer to voting for Barry Hussein, that is your right, but don't expect it to win you any friends here. See.. making change back to a Constitution that served us well for over a century while it was still mostly followed is a far cry from making change in opposition to that fine document. The latter is also nothing of which to be proud, nor will it win you many friends hereabouts.

No, you are not supposed to accept it blindly because it says "true story". I would hope that you would use your discernment to find out why you might want to give it or the man who wrote those words down some credence, however, rather than dismissing him out of hand as "bs" without any investigation at all.

Now you've made up your mind, it seems, and wish not to be confused with facts. That also is your right. If you wish to display foolish closed-mindedness to one and all, far be it from me to restrict you from that activity.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Bill of Rights]

Oh, and I love the negative rep I got for asking for facts! I don't know Jim, and it was no reflection of him personally. Heaven forbid I try to make educated decisions... Guess freedom of speech isn't protected around here, huh?

"To impugn the reputation of a man like Jim Tomes is not something I can let slide without a response. This man's contributions are legendary and his integrity is unquestionable."

Edit: Glad you're proud of your negative rep there, Bill. Hope everyone else sees how immature and narrow-minded your judgment against me and MY quest for facts.

If you want to talk to the man whose words were re-posted, the link to reach him is in the OP:

www.2ndamendmentpatriots.org | The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

However.. He said he gave his word he would keep a confidence. I bet he will do so. On the occasions I've contacted him about a bill that he's hinted at being introduced by someone to the legislature that he knows of only in confidence, he does not reveal any details, but in every case, the bill to which he alludes does, in fact appear, as he describes it.

I re-posted my neg-rep comment to you partly to expand upon it and partly because I didn't want it to look like I was embarrassed by it. I posted it openly because it was correct and true. If you notice, I also said that I have no problem at all with asking questions rather than blindly accepting something as fact. Asking questions is not the same thing as "calling BS". One is a search for knowledge. The other indicates a closed mind already made up that the information presented is false.

Had you sought knowledge, you would not have gotten what I gave you.

Still, maybe you'll find others to counter my neg rep. Maybe you'll find reason to see that my opinion of Jim Tomes is well-founded.

I truly hope the latter comes to pass. If/when it does, I may counter that neg-rep myself.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[scheesman]

Well, if by "making change" you refer to voting for Barry Hussein, that is your right, but don't expect it to win you any friends here. See.. making change back to a Constitution that served us well for over a century while it was still mostly followed is a far cry from making change in opposition to that fine document. The latter is also nothing of which to be proud, nor will it win you many friends hereabouts.

Believe me, I know I am seriously outnumbered as a Liberal, and the "Barry Hussein" comment lets me know right away not to even try to discuss politics with you (yet I'm the closed-minded one?). But last time I checked it was InGunOwners, not InRightWingOnlyEveryoneElseMightAsWellGoElsewhere.

No, you are not supposed to accept it blindly because it says "true story". I would hope that you would use your discernment to find out why you might want to give it or the man who wrote those words down some credence, however, rather than dismissing him out of hand as "bs" without any investigation at all.

So let me get this straight. Someone can bring a story to this web site, but I don't dare ask them to clarify? I should go investigate the story myself through other means? Under normal circumstances, it's just easier to ask the OP. But we see where that's gotten us... Would not me asking for details be me investigating? My tag of "bs" is a common response to a suspect internet story. You've been around long enough to know that. Hell, you're a moderator here. That was not a direct attack on the OP or the original author.

Now you've made up your mind, it seems, and wish not to be confused with facts. That also is your right. If you wish to display foolish closed-mindedness to one and all, far be it from me to restrict you from that activity.

Did I miss the part where facts were offered up? I've got a box of 200 rounds of 5.56 I'll give to anyone can show me facts in this thread to my questions. Not theories. Not "I trust the author". I am trying to be open-minded here, which is why I'm asking for facts.

 

[HK45Mark23]

Sir buy not knowing who Jim Tomes is you showed your ignorance. A lot of people know him and not just in Indiana but across the US. He is the real deal.

If you really don’t know who Jim is then take the time to get educated.

Bill already told you he is a legend here in Indiana. He didn’t even list half of the accomplishments Jim and the 2nd Amendment Patriots have accomplished.

By the way we are now out of the German Township Fire Department and meeting at the West Side Sportsman’s Club in Evansville Indiana every last Saturday of the month at 6:00 Pm.

 

[IronHorseman]

If it was in Evansville and he was in a parking garage the only places I can think he must of worked for are either the casino or in one of the government buildings...only other parking garage I know of is under ground but the story said 3rd floor. could be more parking garages that I dont know of though

Deaconess hospital has a parking garage.

 

[HK45Mark23]

Deaconess hospital has a parking garage.

Thanks your right! I have been trying to think of who else has one! The old Old National building has one as well.

 

[edsinger]

I think the guy should seek an attorney. This can not be brushed under...

 

[gglass]

Off Topic:

I have to jump into the sidebar discussion of left vs. right politics going on here. As a member of several gun related forums, there always seems to be a few self-described liberals who go against the natural conservative grain of all the other gun forum members.

What has always amazed me about these so called liberal gun owners is that if a majority of our society voted in lock-step with them, legal gun ownership would be as extinct as the dinosaurs. To me, that is as conflicted as anything I can imagine.

Excuse the interruption... Now back to the topic at hand.

 

[edsinger]

What has always amazed me about these so called liberal gun owners is that if a majority of our society voted in lock-step with them, legal gun ownership would be as extinct as the dinosaurs.

I have always wondered this. I recently had a conversation with a gun owner in Illinois. He was a Obama voter. He said that Obama was for gun rights.

I said HUH? I showed him differently and yet he still thinks Obama is going to help the little guy......Obama is pro 2nd amendment......WHAT?

All I can do is shrug my shoulders.......

 

[in_betts]

Actually I do think it is fine for scheesman to ask questions. Maybe his tone came across accusatory instead of inquiring and this may be related to many of his previous posts that reflect his political leanings, which as has been said don't sit well with the majority of participants here.

I DO understand the passion of those who are closer to the situation, as I share it from a different neighborhood. The 2A Patriots are a great group and we all should appreciate their efforts.

Perhaps we could work on scheesman (over time) and help him to see things differently, before it's too late. I don't mean too late for scheesman, but for the US as a Nation.

 

[darrent]

scheesman, are you for or against having legislation making it a right to have a firearm locked in a vehicle in the work place parking lot?

 

[EdC]

You can now see why it is vital that Sen. Johnny Nugent’s SB 25 gets passed into to law this session. There are plenty more folks yet to find themselves in similar situations in the future.

What similar situation is that? Working somewhere for 23 years and not knowing your employer's policy on firearms? Or was there a policy at all? Did the unknown former employee know about the policy and willfully ignore it? Was this the first time he violated the policy, and got a warning the first time? Or maybe there wasn't a policy and his employer went nuts over a rifle in his car, and way overreacted (that's an understatement). There's just a few of my questions about this situation that will never be answered.

Jim Tomes might be a sterling guy, but like everyone running for political office, he's got to raise money. I haven't gotten fundraising literature from any politician or cause, right, left or in the middle, that didn't try to scare the ***t out of me with egregious (but factually vague) horror stories so I'd donate. Just sayin that with all those details missing, and the subject person and employer remaining anonymous, I'm taking the story with a grain of salt.

As for my opinion on the bill, it's a good principle, but a bad law, to the extent it would require employers to allow employees to keep firearms on company parking lots. Indiana's employment at will (which means you can be fired for no reason, but not a bad reason) and employers, like everyone else, have property rights. However, maybe a law that would prohibit employers from firing someone for having a firearm on company property, without a clear, prior existing policy, would make better sense.