MrColionNoir - Glock 19 Malfunctions at Travis Haley Course

[esrice]

MrColionNoir wants to know why his G19 malf'd at an HSP course.

Here are the details he gives on the gun in question.

Ammo: Aguila 124g
Magazines: Factory Glock Magazines
Modifications: 3.5 Ghost Disconnect
Bought the Gun Brand New

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbe-CdSGiJI[/ame]

Thoughts?

 

[Newbomb92]

There's a match in the chamber....

 

[lovemachine]

Ammo related?

Not cleaning it?

 

[Sylvain]

Sounds like a good question for Mr.Yeager.

"All guns should be 9mm, all 9mm should be Glocks and all Glocks should be Glock 19's."

 

[lowendgenerator]

He's confessed to not cleaning or lubing it for 3000 rounds. It's like running your car without oil then asking why your engine seized.

 

[PGRChaplain]

"I havent cleaned or lubed the Glock for about 3,000 rounds"

 

[42769vette]

"I havent cleaned or lubed the Glock for about 3,000 rounds"

x2

 

[rockhopper46038]

Shoulda taken a 1911 along.

C'mon, you know you were thinking it.

 

[gunman41mag]

he limp wrist the glock

 

[cedartop]

x2

X3

First guess would be ammo. He doesn't say if that is what he has always used.

 

[GBuck]

I wonder if he always uses Augilla? It's not the dirtiest ammo, but it's not the cleanest either.

 

[Hop]

IMO it's fine to run it without cleaning and lube up until it starts acting up. It's a great indicator of how hard you can run it before expecting trouble. It also helps you learn how to clear a malf under pressure.

But...

Don't you think once you get to that point you should clean and lube and start over? Especially if it's something you bet your life on?

 

[Que]

He traded out the Glock for an M&P, but took the Glock for the class. I'm not sure why he did that, but the Glock was dirty and mistreated and paid him back for it.

 

[ryan3030]

Didn't clean or lube for 3,000 rounds and he "wonders" why it malf'd?

You're kidding, right?

 

[netsecurity]

I'd at least remove crust from the chamber. Not running a brush down the barrel is one thing, but the carbon buildup on the feed ramp and chamber can obviously create feeding and ejection issues. Not only does it create an abrasive surface, but it shrinks the dimensions of the chamber.

 

[kawtech87]

Well theres your problem. 3k rnds with no lube or cleaning.

I will never understand why some people think they can out right abuse somthing and think it will never fail or have any trouble what so ever.

Be it an ATV or a gun. Clean it lube it, take care of it properly and it WILL last forever. Abuse it and neglect it and you will DESTROY it. Period.

 

[60Driver]

Well done video documenting his issue. That said WHY would you go to a High End course with a non cleaned / lubed pistol?

Don't get me wrong I run anything in my carry rotation through a "testing" phase, let them get dirty / minimal lube (Don't own a plastic uber gun and will not totally abuse a 1911 or other metal frame running them totally dry) but AFTER they are proven I keep my hardware cleaned/maintained.

Yes it is interesting to see if a platform will go 2000, 3000, 4000 rounds with no maintenance but WHY go to a course like this. If I want to do malfunction drills I will use dummy rounds etc.

Would you carry a personal protection gun like this? Go to war with a dirty sidearm or primary? LEO's I am guessing you ensure your gear is good to go every day?

Honest curiosity, with no disrespect for the guy in the Vid who looked to be a very solid shooter.

Train like you fight!

 

[Jackson]

As everyone else has said, not cleaning the pistol causes the action to slow down on dirt and grit, or the chamber to become gummed up and create resistance on the case ejecting. It cycles slower, or not completely. Malfucntions increase. It happens.

All that being said, I run my G19 range gun about the same way. When it starts to act up too often, I clean it. I also run Aguila ammunition because its cheap. I've been to classes (high end, low end, all of the above) with a dirty gun. I've had a malfunction or two in class. It doesn't slow me down much and I just don't worry about it. But I am lazy.

I do not carry the same gun I train with, however. I have a different G19 that I carry.

 

[lovemachine]

As everyone else has said, not cleaning the pistol causes the action to slow down on dirt and grit, or the chamber to become gummed up and create resistance on the case ejecting. It cycles slower, or not completely. Malfucntions increase. It happens.

All that being said, I run my G19 range gun about the same way. When it starts to act up too often, I clean it. I also run Aguila ammunition because its cheap. I've been to classes (high end, low end, all of the above) with a dirty gun. I've had a malfunction or two in class. It doesn't slow me down much and I just don't worry about it. But I am lazy.

I do not carry the same gun I train with, however. I have a different G19 that I carry.

Why do you have a different G19 to train with?

 

[Indy574]

It's a Gen 4