More Folks Withdrawing Consent To Be Governed

[hornadylnl]

That, and it will be interesting to see how far these states take their stance.

They be extremely courageous until the first threat of cutting off federal funds comes. Just like the states caved on drinking ages, seat belt laws, etc.

The problem is that the states are just as big of welfare queens that you'd find in any inner city. The dumbest part of that is the states can't figure out they are being bribed with their own money.

 

[jedi]

That's a decent place to start. We don't need more drastic measures until we've tried that one first. Although we could do with getting rid of a couple of amendments to the BoR. That'd help things get off. And we could fire a million or so .gov employees. Make them get real jobs.

FYI the feds have ~ 2 million workers and the "avg" salary is $60K.
There are 300 million US citizens so the 2 million represents about 0.6% of the population as in less than 1%!
News Articles: Debating "Average" Federal Salary Figures

Federal Government

When I say AVG read that # with a grain of salt as most "grunt" employees make closer to 34K to 40K. The feds have a lot of "top mgnt" in DC that "increases" the avg for everyone. The truth is the vast majority of fed employees are not very highly paid, work mundane/thankless jobs, and get a bad rap. Yes there are bad apples in the group as in any group and yes it does take longer to fire a fed employee but for the most part the majority of them work doing the same things that every other company does (HR, IT, R&D, etc...)

 

[Manan]

We have a great founding document and a great form of government. Over time it has been misinterpreted and bastardized to the point that the founding fathers would not recognize the government that they started.

I think if the founders of this country were alive they would be leading the tea party revolution and honestly be members of the Libertarian Party.

 

[John Galt]

We have a great founding document and a great form of government. Over time it has been misinterpreted and bastardized to the point that the founding fathers would not recognize the government that they started.

I think if the founders of this country were alive they would be leading the tea party revolution and honestly be members of the Libertarian Party.

Amen and +1!

 

[38special]

I hope that was the perceived message of the original blog.

That's what I got from it.

And welcome to the board!

 

[mrjarrell]

FYI the feds have ~ 2 million workers and the "avg" salary is $60K.
There are 300 million US citizens so the 2 million represents about 0.6% of the population as in less than 1%!
News Articles: Debating "Average" Federal Salary Figures

Federal Government

When I say AVG read that # with a grain of salt as most "grunt" employees make closer to 34K to 40K. The feds have a lot of "top mgnt" in DC that "increases" the avg for everyone. The truth is the vast majority of fed employees are not very highly paid, work mundane/thankless jobs, and get a bad rap. Yes there are bad apples in the group as in any group and yes it does take longer to fire a fed employee but for the most part the majority of them work doing the same things that every other company does (HR, IT, R&D, etc...)

1 million is just a place to start. Getting rid of them my way won't be hard at all. Work for the Dept of "Education"? Sorry, no such place exists anymore, thanks for you time here. Buh-Bye. Move onto the next agency...

 

[SavageEagle]

1 million is just a place to start. Getting rid of them my way won't be hard at all. Work for the Dept of "Education"? Sorry, no such place exists anymore, thanks for you time here. Buh-Bye. Move onto the next agency...

As heartless as this sounds, yea, that. Cutback/out all non-necessary and unConstitutional agencies and employees, scale back the tax code to something we can all understand, Eliminate most of the amendments after the BoR, and let these tax money sucking fed employees find real jobs, creat small biz's and let Nature and the Free Market run it's course. Fire or imprison those fed employees that violated people's rights and step beyond the boundaries of the Constitution...

Yea, it may generalized, but it's a start.

 

[CarmelHP]

scale back the tax code to something we can all understand

I would prefer no federal interaction with citizens. All crimes except for things like treason or counterfeiting currency would be state passed and enforced. Too things things are federal felonies. The states would be the the only taxing authorities and it would be up to the states to collect and remit the tax by any way it sees fit, e.g., a capitation tax on the state, not individuals, would be fine. All improvement expenditures would be made by states. That's my modest proposal.

 

[Ogre]

I would prefer no federal interaction with citizens. All crimes except for things like treason or counterfeiting currency would be state passed and enforced. Too things things are federal felonies. The states would be the the only taxing authorities and it would be up to the states to collect and remit the tax by any way it sees fit, e.g., a capitation tax on the state, not individuals, would be fine. All improvement expenditures would be made by states. That's my modest proposal.

Most times, your political replies make my skin crawl, but we see eye to eye on this.

 

[CarmelHP]

Most times, your political replies make my skin crawl, but we see eye to eye on this.

I return both compliments.

 

[Ogre]

They be extremely courageous until the first threat of cutting off federal funds comes. Just like the states caved on drinking ages, seat belt laws, etc.

The problem is that the states are just as big of welfare queens that you'd find in any inner city. The dumbest part of that is the states can't figure out they are being bribed with their own money.

from one Gribble to another, you're dead on. The states cave to any fed. mandate when the threat of monetary withholding is on the table. Another one you didn't mention was lowering the BAL for DUI.

 

[tenring]

How about the Feds dictating that your new drivers license have certain amounts of information on it by a certain date or their portion of the gas tax will be withheld. Look on the back of yours, see that black strip? Info of all kinds, how about the code on the license plates, it can be read from a distance, [unless it got too close to a powerful magnet]. Think Federal Id cards, or more commonly know as "Papers Please". People are so clueless as to be laughable if it weren't so serious.

 

[dross]

Before you go scrapping the Ancien Régime, please try to tell uswhat you'll be replacing it with. In detail, not broad generalizations, please. Thank you.

I can't ever get this either, though I've asked quite a bit. I usually get links to other sites, self-satisfied clever commentary disguised as a counter-question, and implications that somehow I'm some sort of lackey of the man, with a slave mentality. In other words, exactly why the Libertarian Party occupies the margins. The radical wing of the Libertarian party are the utopian-anarchists who refuse to recognize any political reality.

Good luck with getting your answer.

 

[SavageEagle]

How about the Feds dictating that your new drivers license have certain amounts of information on it by a certain date or their portion of the gas tax will be withheld. Look on the back of yours, see that black strip? Info of all kinds, how about the code on the license plates, it can be read from a distance, [unless it got too close to a powerful magnet]. Think Federal Id cards, or more commonly know as "Papers Please". People are so clueless as to be laughable if it weren't so serious.

So exactly where is this thing on the license plates? Also, did you know that by 2016 all IN citizen are required to carry the new State ID that has ALL your info on it? The only way around it is to scratch off parts of the barcode by accident and demagnetize the whole card. I think it has an RF chip in it. I don't recall.

 

[jsgolfman]

I can't ever get this either, though I've asked quite a bit. I usually get links to other sites, self-satisfied clever commentary disguised as a counter-question, and implications that somehow I'm some sort of lackey of the man, with a slave mentality. In other words, exactly why the Libertarian Party occupies the margins. The radical wing of the Libertarian party are the utopian-anarchists who refuse to recognize any political reality.

Good luck with getting your answer.

I think I've responded previously, without clever commentary and provided details. I do admit to providing links at times, as it gets tedious and I prefer people to do their own research.

 

[hornadylnl]

Cutback/out all non-necessary and unConstitutional agencies and employees,

Then any agency or employee that deals with welfare programs must go. I can deal with that.

 

[SavageEagle]

Then any agency or employee that deals with welfare programs must go. I can deal with that.

As can I. I wouldn't mind one bit. That's what churches and relief programs, PRIVATE programs, are for. If people could keep more of their money in taxes, there would be more businesses, more money, and more charity. It would also encourage those who don't want to work to get a job and be self-sufficient. What's better than that?

 

[dross]

I think I've responded previously, without clever commentary and provided details. I do admit to providing links at times, as it gets tedious and I prefer people to do their own research.

Fair enough, you have done so. I believe the implementation of your viewpoint is utopian, but you have outlined your plan. I was thinking of others when I made my post.

 

[mike8170]

Here are the powers of the Federal Government, no matter what is said:

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Believe it, because this will come in to play in the near future!

These are the only powers given to the Federal Government by YOU, the people!!

Does any of this make sense to anyone but me! We are being shafted every day!


Sorry for the rant, but I am tired of crap politics, no one cares unless they are in power!

 

[jsgolfman]

Fair enough, you have done so. I believe the implementation of your viewpoint is utopian, but you have outlined your plan. I was thinking of others when I made my post.

I know. And I think we both agree that implementaiton is utopian. I also think that the major, and possibly only, sticking point is the national security/law enforcement issue. I think I would be safe in saying that we agree on most other points.

Although I am not in favor of the "democracy through the barrel of a gun" philosophy that so many seem to adhere to, I do believe in a strong intelligence presence.