Microchipping Americans

[Hustlehard]

I'm not calling anyone out, I hope .com tough guys are real about their words. Again, I'm not downing anyone, I have the same feeling and conviction that it will not go down on my watch, but picture your wife, or son or daughter there when you decide its time to draw the line, what happens to them afterwards? Do they get chipped anyway and you die in vain? We all know what the good book says about ACCEPTING the "mark", I just want whoever to stand up to their word when it comes to that, it aint gonna be easy

 

[Greenmonsta79]

The way I see it if they give me the option of either death or implant, It would be death because I would rather have the momentary pain of death instead a eternity of damnation. Because I believe my Lord is my saviour and I know that chip is indeed the mark of the beast, And the sad fact is millions of people will be so happy to get this implant and they believe it will "save" them well for a short time it will, until it is too late to realize they entrusted their faith in a worldly "God".

 

[colt45er]

Okay, a serious question here.

What makes you so certain that this is the mark of the beast? Please provide Biblical verification, not just that "its in the Bible"

 

[evansvillethompsongunner]

"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast and over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps..." - Revelation, 15:2, excerpt

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[colt45er]

I don't see where that refers to any sort of implantation.

In addition, if we are taking this verse literal we must take the rest of the book literal, are you suggesting that the mutli-headed monsters are literal? Will Satan be bound for 1000 years?

 

[hornadylnl]

I don't see where that refers to any sort of implantation.

In addition, if we are taking this verse literal we must take the rest of the book literal, are you suggesting that the mutli-headed monsters are literal? Will Satan be bound for 1000 years?

If the Bible isn't to be taken literally, then what good is it for?

 

[rmabrey]

I'm sure you realize that government jobs do not really help the economy. Like the Census workers, they don't create anything to sell. Federal agents are paid with our tax dollars, so hiring more of them makes the Government more expensive to run. The economy only suffers because our masters are spending more of our tax dollars, and eventually will require a tax hike to keep up, killing off even more of the producers of the nation.

sorry. forgot to change it to purple

 

[libertybear]

JUST SAY NO!

I refuse and would rather DIE


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I believe Aaron Russo he warned us about thier plans...

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Revelation of John 13:17:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[BloodEclipse]

I honestly do not have any problem chipping felons on probation and sex offenders.

After probation ends pull em out.

For me it will never happen while Im alive.

I have a better idea. Keep them in prison.

 

[smoking357]

I honestly do not have any problem chipping felons on probation and sex offenders.

Most felons have done nothing to hurt anyone else. You can be a "sex offender" for whizzing in the alley behind the bar.

 

[smoking357]

If the Bible isn't to be taken literally, then what good is it for?

If the Bible is to be taken literally, what good is it?

 

[E5RANGER375]

I will not allow myself to be implanted. EVER. I will resist, with force, if it must come to that. If they manage to implant me, then I will remove it. Microchipping is pure evil.

well better not go get anymore imunizations or take a pill ever again. yep, they have the technology to do it that way too. so you might already be chipped and not even know it. im serious. any of us who were in the military never did find out what all the shots or pills we took were all realy for. sure they give a list, but does it all ad up?? NOPE.
maybe they inserted a chip that heats up inside your body when exposed to a certain frequency that will slowly cook you from the inside or clot your blood? its possible. i hate to get into the freeeky deekie, but thats usualy how governments get away with stuff.... they either do it in plain sight, or they do things so unbelievable that people who question it are viewed at nut bags

 

[E5RANGER375]

I don't see where that refers to any sort of implantation.

In addition, if we are taking this verse literal we must take the rest of the book literal, are you suggesting that the mutli-headed monsters are literal? Will Satan be bound for 1000 years?

Book of E5RANGER, chapter 1 verse 1

and i seeneth a multi-headed beast that came from the ground in a treacherous land called california. And its flesh was rotting as it was a corpse, but the beast still lived, and apeared to grow younger, but not realy. and the beast was called PELOSI, and it bowed down to its master who was the son of the devil, whos name was OBAMA. and OBAMA threw his beast a bone every once in a while, and the brand of bone was called FREEDOM, and the beast loved the taste of FREEDOM bones and the beast devoured them until all of the FREEDOMs were gone.

hmmmm after reading the above i deffinately believe in beast. it sounds sooooo familiar, i just cant put my finger on it??

 

[E5RANGER375]

"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast and over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps..." - Revelation, 15:2, excerpt

sea of glass huh?? sounds like somebodys azz is gonna get nuked. Im not religious, but i do look for fact in everything. I do believe in people who can see the future. i think that many things that are writen in the bible are being fulfilled and people who refuse to see that are lying to themselves or just blind. im not going to state my opinion of if i think the bible was inspired by a god or if there is even a god. i think ive made my opinion on those things clear before. but if you have any sense at all i wouldnt rule out the bible as a guide book for things to come. again this is coming from a NON RELIGIOUS PERSON!!! so if i can see it, i know all you christians out there must be fipping the F out.

 

[SavageEagle]

Believers will not take the mark. And like many others here, I will not take the mark, nor will I let my family take the mark either. Anyone coming near my family or me with a microchip had better be coming with a sack lunch.

 

[Beau]

It's gotta start somewhere. Why not with health care? I imagine the larger scale version will come down from the UN. There are all kinds of ways it could happen. Those are not the things that matter though. The point is that it will happen. The point is that this age is coming to an end.

 

[JDonhardt]

I cant wait til its like Logan's Run.

But seriously, I wouldnt get one. I wouldnt let my family get one either.

 

[Lex Concord]

Ummmm...I'm against chipping, mandatory or otherwise, and my tinfoil is usually attached fairly tightly....but....but....

I'm just not reading this as mandatory chipping of anyone.

I see a clause that calls for a database to be created to track the safety of class III and class II devices that are life-supporting or life-sustaining. How does this translate to RFID? A class II device may include chips, but the chip would not be life-sustaining or life-supporting. This would seem to apply to pacemakers, etc., as mentioned by a previous poster.

The "class" designation of a medical device is related to its level of risk of use and the types of controls that must be used when they are put into place.

While the bill is heinous in both principle and detail, I think this being read as "mandatory chipping" is quite a leap.

While I wouldn't put it past them, I don't think this is what the article linked in the OP believes it to be.

 

[bigg cheese]

PolitiFact | Chain e-mail says those on public option will have to get microchip implant

Chain e-mail says those on public option will have to get microchip implant

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It's a recipe for a great conspiracy theory: a big health care bill, an effort to centralize medical records and a new microchip that can be implanted under your skin.

Just add outrage and stir!

A chain e-mail warns darkly that an "implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information" would be "implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option" -- the government-run insurance plan designed as an affordable option for people who are uninsured or whose employers don't offer health coverage. The chip would "collect data in medical patients," including "claims data" and "electronic health records."

Americans, the e-mail continues, would likely flock to the the public option. This would mean that "the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company [sic] may not survive."

This seems on its face to be so ridiculous that we wondered if it was satire. But we couldn't find its origins. Meanwhile, the e-mail is making the rounds (it was sent to us by a reader who wondered whether it's true) and we found it posted on dozens of blogs, so we decided to examine it.

First, let's get out of the way the one grain of truth in the claim -- a rice-sized grain, to be precise.

A company called PositiveID, which has its headquarters in Delray Beach, Fla., sells a small microchip that can be implanted under the skin for identification purposes. It can be read from a few inches away by a handheld scanner. The company began working on its product in December 2001, and by October 2004, it had received the Food and Drug Administration's approval to insert the device into patients. According to the company, a few hospitals have "agreed to use the technology in their emergency departments."

Unlike the way the chip was described in the chain e-mail, the device provides only an identification number and does not, by itself, store health data. Instead, a medical provider would be able to access the person's medical records by scanning the device's unique number and using it to connect to the company's "secure, private online database," which includes the person's health records. The device "is always with you and cannot be lost or stolen," the company's Web site says. "It provides emergency room doctors and nurses with your vital medical and emergency contact information, allowing them to treat you rapidly, accurately and safely during an emergency."

The company adds that the microchip does not contain "any Global Positioning System (GPS) tracking capabilities. And unlike conventional forms of identification, [it] cannot be lost, stolen, misplaced, or counterfeited. It is safe, secure, reversible, and always with you."

Now, this chip is probably not everyone's cup of tea. But lawmakers understand that reality and have not -- repeat, not -- required participants in the public option to sign up for insertion. Not even close. Indeed, as with a number of claims in chain e-mails we've reviewed relating to this year's congressional health care bills, the chain e-mail stitches together disparate words and phrases from the Senate and House health care bills to distort the truth.

The bill produced by three House committees, H.R. 3200, included a provision to create a National Medical Device Registry, which would centralize data on medical devices (from pacemakers to artificial limbs) so that experts and the public could analyze how safe and effective different kinds of medical devices are. The bill decreed that items the FDA classifies as Class III — the 10 percent of devices that, according to the FDA, "sustain or support life, are implanted, or present potential unreasonable risk of illness or injury" -- would be included in the registry, as would any Class II device (a category of less-complex items accounting for 43 percent of all devices) "that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining."

And that's where the red-flag word "implantable" popped up in the bill. Lots of medical devices are "implantable" -- think of heart stents, artificial knees and dental fillings. But microchips make for a good conspiracy theory, so the e-mail focuses on them.

Even if microchips had somehow been the target of that line in the bill -- and they're not -- the provision in question, which doesn't appear in the Senate bill, only talks about creating a database that keeps tabs on devices that have already been implanted in people. It says nothing whatsoever about requiring implantation "in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option." That part is fiction, pure and simple.

Here's an odd postscript. As the final House version (H.R. 3962) approached a vote by the full chamber, the term "implantable" was removed from that section. It's not clear why the change was made, but the chain e-mail now has even less credibility than it did before (if that's possible).

So add this one to the list of silly, discredited claims about the health bill. It's so ridiculously wrong, we rule it Pants on Fire.

 

[Seancass]

Well, BigCheese just posted what i was going to say, but he found someone to word it better than i would have. The current implant chips are not nearly complex enough to generate a radio signal that can be tracked, let alone produce GPS data. It is just like a barcode under the skin, it can only produce a number when scanned. Would i get one of these? No, it's still weird, but i don't think it's a sign of the Apocolips. It could be, but let's hope not. (didn't they say the same thing about European Jews about 70 years ago?)

I read the origional post and could tell they where talking about devices such as pace-makers. I'm not saying politicians arn't even better at twisting words than bloggers, I just think this would make news very quickly if it where true. No body in America want's to be tracked.