MEU Pistol Qualification

[shooter521]

If we ignore the need for a carbine (or use it, depending on your style), what do you think of the pistol drills for the Marine Expeditionary Unit?

It's a good CoF, and one that I practice somewhat regularly. Their carbine CoF is good too. Pat Rogers incorporates them into his classes, as well as the Modified Navy Qualification, which in many respects is even tougher.

 

[Wabatuckian]

Thank you.

You lost me at "CoF"..?

Not good with these 'net abbreviations.

 

[JimFloyd]

Thank you.

You lost me at "CoF"..?

Not good with these 'net abbreviations.

Course of Fire

 

[mercop]

BTW I Fed UP the COF even shooting COM. LOL

 

[Wabatuckian]

Ok, having fun at my expense.

Sad thing is that I should be able to figure out these abbreviations, but my mind just doesn't work like that.

Last time I heard "fed up" was my dad, when I was younger: "Josh, I'm about FED UP with you! Get to your room!"

 

[cosermann]

Here's a link to a nice PDF copy of this if anyone is interested:

http://www.pgpft.com/MEUSOC_qual_M4-Pistol.pdf

 

[Wabatuckian]

I shot the first portion today.

Suffice to say, I suck at 25 yards anymore. I was hurrying.

Everything else went pretty smooth, except for the reloads. I took too long due to my type of pouch.

These drills feel "right."

 

[sjstill]

Just for giggles, here's an open-source link for the ILEA Pistol Qual course; IN.gov: Frequently Asked Questions

 

[shooter521]

Just for giggles, here's an open-source link for the ILEA Pistol Qual course; IN.gov: Frequently Asked Questions

And there are people who don't pass??

 

[sjstill]

Sometimes, remedial training might be needed for some recruits....

 

[mercop]

Sometimes? You are a generous man Steve

 

[JimFloyd]

I shot the first portion today.

Suffice to say, I suck at 25 yards anymore. I was hurrying.

Everything else went pretty smooth, except for the reloads. I took too long due to my type of pouch.

These drills feel "right."

Here is another one to add to your list to shoot, Josh!

http://www.gunlaws.com/pdf/Air Marshall Pistol Drill.pdf

Regards,

Jim

 

[shooter521]

Here is another one to add to your list to shoot, Josh!

http://www.gunlaws.com/pdf/Air Marshall Pistol Drill.pdf

Sweet. I used to train quite a bit with an outfit that used the FAM qualification as one of their flagship courses of fire... it got to be something of a "big d*ck contest" among the instructors to see who could shoot it the best/fastest, on-demand. They would challenge each other to all sorts of variations (from concealment, or wrong-handed, etc), and it finally got to where one of the guys shot it clean in 3/4 time, entirely from concealment. Un-dirty-word-believable.

It took me many attempts before I was able to pass this CoF on both time and score. It's been a few years since I've shot it; I doubt I could pass it on-demand today. It's tough.

From what I've been told, the FAMs no longer have to shoot this CoF right off the bat; they qualify on a watered-down version at first, and have X number of months to "work up" to shooting this version for score.

I have the FBI and DEA qualification courses, and can post them if there is interest.

 

[JimFloyd]

I can post the FBI and DEA qualification courses, if there is interest.

Go for it!

Regards,

Jim

 

[Wabatuckian]

Thank you, Jim.

The Air Marshals' times seem a bit generous to me...?

 

[mettle]

Course of Fire

 

[shooter521]

Thank you, Jim.

The Air Marshals' times seem a bit generous to me...?

All I can say is, get out and shoot it for yourself. IME, it's not the times nor the accuracy requirements by themselves that make the course tough; it's making the accuracy requirements within the allotted times. You don't have to be lightning fast, but you certainly have to be smooth.

And if it's not challenging enough, you can always attempt it in 3/4 time or 1/2 time.

 

[shooter521]

Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) qual course:

FBI qual course:

Scoring for the FBI is 2 points for every shot inside the bottle on the FBI "Q" target, for a total of 100 possible points. IIRC, 86 is minimum passing; 94 and up is instructor level.

I looked in my files and couldn't find the DEA course. A friend is supposed to Email me the BATFE qual course tonight; I'll post it once that happens.

ETA:

BATF qual course:

and

*US Marshals Service Handgun Qualification Course -- Modified*

TARGET: The USMS uses the Trans Tar II target scored 5-4-3-2.
(we used the NRA TQ-15 target scored 5-4-1. When I practice myself I use an IDPA or IPSC target scored 5-4-2)

AMMUNITION REQUIRED: 60 rounds
DISTANCES OF ENGAGEMENT: 3,7,15 and 25 yards
MINIMUM QUALIFICATION STANDARD: 210 points/70%

STAGE DISTANCE PROCEDURE
1. 3 yards From the holster, draw & fire 2 rnds center mass and
one headshot. 3 rnds in 4 sec. 2X

2. 3 yards Begin at the low ready with the handgun in the weak
hand. At the signal fire 2 rnds in 4 seconds
*WEAK HAND ONLY.* 2X

3. 7 yards From the holster, draw & fire 3 rnds center mass
in 4 seconds. 2X

4. 7 yards From the holster, draw & fire 3 rnds center mass
in 5 seconds *STRONG HAND ONLY* . 2X

5. 7 yards From the holster, draw & fire 3 rnds center mass
and one headshot. 3 rnds in 5 seconds. 4X

6. 15 yards From the holster, draw & fire 3 rnds center mass
in 5 seconds. 4X

7. 25 yards From the holster, using the high barricade for cover:
fire 6 rnds standing, perform a mandatory reload, drop
to the high kneeling position and fire 3 rnds, perform a
mandatory reload, go prone and fire 3 rnds. Total of
12 rounds fired in 60 seconds.

*6 headshots required*

*Qualification Standard:*
300 pts = Distinguished Expert
285-299 = Expert
255-284 = Sharpshooter
210-254 = Marksman
below 210 = DNQ (did not qualify)

This course is based on the USMS Handgun QC in use on 1 January 2004.

The USMS fires this course from concealment.

 

[lewisjt]

Thread revival....does anyone know, maybe I missed it, what targets they use at ILEA?

 

[slow1911s]

The 25 yd strings are going to be really tough for most shooters. And, that's probably the strings that separate Expert from Distinguished Expert.