Marijuana user cannot be banned from gun ownership...

[RobertIN]

Nothing changes for me. Same as alcohol. I smell it, no gun. What you put on the form is between you , God and the FBI.

Agreed. Don't care what you choose to do for leisure just don't do it with a firearm. It's ridiculous that weed is illegal anyway. Never in my life have I heard of a person smoking a joint and deciding to start a brawl.

 

[pmbiker]

I honestly couldn't care any less about this. Anyone who knows anything understands that marijuana is no more dangerous than alcohol, nicotine or caffeine. It is far less dangerous than many of the drugs your doctor will prescribe and you can pick up from Kroger/CVS/rite-aid.

It's not a gateway drug, it's not a hard drug, it's not a dangerous drug. An alcoholic with a gun is far more unstable and frightening than a pothead with a gun.

It was made illegal for exactly two reasons. 1. Hemp is an amazing plant that does the work of cotton better than cotton and some of the work of lumber better than lumber. The powers that be of that era were heavily invested in cotton and lumber. 2. At the time a majority of people who smoked cannabis were blacks and mexicans, very easy to demonize in an era where racism was the norm.

 

[edporch]

I'm pretty sure they could develop a blood test for it, but (and I may be off base here), I thought federal law prohibited a lot of research for anything marijuana-related. I don't know if that would include finding a method to measure for it like they do for alcohol.

I don't know about a federal law, but I don't believe they can yet establish levels and give a test to say over a certain level means you're too stoned.

What got me on this line of thinking was a case from several years ago when a man was in an accident, there was a fatality, so they gave him a drug and alcohol test.

He tested positive for marijuana "metabolites", but insisted he wasn't high when the wreck occurred.
The Prosecutor even said in the trial that it DIDN'T MATTER whether the Defendant was high or not.
ALL the law says is if he has metabolites in his system, it was a crime, and he was sentenced to prison.

 

[phylodog]

I don't know about a federal law, but I don't believe they can yet establish levels and give a test to say over a certain level means you're too stoned.

What got me on this line of thinking was a case from several years ago when a man was in an accident, there was a fatality, so they gave him a drug and alcohol test.

He tested positive for marijuana "metabolites", but insisted he wasn't high when the wreck occurred.
The Prosecutor even said in the trial that it DIDN'T MATTER whether the Defendant was high or not.
ALL the law says is if he has metabolites in his system, it was a crime, and he was sentenced to prison.

What a fair and just system.

 

[BJHay]

Many decades ago I was bouncer at rowdy bar in Muncie. The pot heads were calm, chill and never a problem.
The hard drinking guys were entirely different.

 

[RobertIN]

Many decades ago I was bouncer at rowdy bar in Muncie. The pot heads were calm, chill and never a problem.
The hard drinking guys were entirely different.

Yup. The most violence I've seen out of stoners is how quickly they destroy a bag of chips, but alcohol is fine... Ridiculous. I want to utilize THC here and there for various ailments but I can't jeopardize my livelihood and I won't lie on a federal form. Meanwhile alcohol nearly ruined my life.

 

[BE Mike]

I was wondering how long it would take to have someone compare caffeine to THC and hemp to marijuana. MJ might be less dangerous than smart phones when someone is behind the wheel. I think the point here is that MJ is illegal at the federal level. Another point is that nobody should use any drug when handling firearms, period. That includes prescribed medication that negatively affects one's abilities to think and/or their motor skills.

 

[edporch]

Many decades ago I was bouncer at rowdy bar in Muncie. The pot heads were calm, chill and never a problem.
The hard drinking guys were entirely different.

Exactly.
I've had way more trouble from drunks than potheads.
My late father in law used to say "when people get drunk, they're either lovers or fighters!".
And women are just as bad.
I have a friend whose ex-wife was a nasty, mean drunk.
She'd get drunk and be pounding on him.
It wasn't that she could beat him up, no way she ever could.
It was the idea she acted like that.

 

[Scott58]

Filled out the form today. No changes that I noticed other then RK gives you a code you have to type in before you can fill it out. So, that's new.

 

[gassprint1]

Don't know why i didn't think of this yesterday....but.. how many soldiers that smoked in Vietnam would there be without rifles?? I'd day probably thousands. How about some of the other "police actions" around that time or after?

 

[BE Mike]

Don't know why i didn't think of this yesterday....but.. how many soldiers that smoked in Vietnam would there be without rifles?? I'd day probably thousands. How about some of the other "police actions" around that time or after?

All I know is that the news media must have really played it up. Within minutes after I got home my father asked me if I was hooked on drugs and kept pressing me even after my initial response of "no". I thought that we would have moved passed this sort of thing by now. All I'll add is "Welcome Home" to all veterans of every conflict on INGO. Thanks for your service during difficult times.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I don't know about a federal law, but I don't believe they can yet establish levels and give a test to say over a certain level means you're too stoned.

There are tests that can determine the amount of active thc in the blood. And have been for years. As for a certain level being "too stoned", I'm sure they will pick an arbitrary number just like with alcohol.

What got me on this line of thinking was a case from several years ago when a man was in an accident, there was a fatality, so they gave him a drug and alcohol test.

He tested positive for marijuana "metabolites", but insisted he wasn't high when the wreck occurred.
The Prosecutor even said in the trial that it DIDN'T MATTER whether the Defendant was high or not.
ALL the law says is if he has metabolites in his system, it was a crime, and he was sentenced to prison.

Yep, per the IC any detectable amount of metabolites is considered to be OWI. And I believe that applies to all non prescribed drugs not just MJ. Except alcohol of course.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I was wondering how long it would take to have someone compare caffeine to THC and hemp to marijuana. MJ might be less dangerous than smart phones when someone is behind the wheel. I think the point here is that MJ is illegal at the federal level. Another point is that nobody should use any drug when handling firearms, period. That includes prescribed medication that negatively affects one's abilities to think and/or their motor skills.

Caffeine compared to MJ? For death from overdose MJ is much safer. A study involving dogs found the minimum lethal dose was over 3g of thc per kg. For a 150# person that would be about 200g of thc or 800g or 1 3/4 # of high grade 20% the mj. Now compare that to caffeine.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/food/panera-charged-lemonade-discontinued/index.html

As for comparing hemp and mj, they are the same plant.

 

[pmbiker]

I challenge anyone to go cold turkey from caffeine for a month. Then drink an espresso or other high dose caffeine drink. You WILL be effed up.

Hemp and cannabis are from the same family. One gets you hi, the other really doesn't. For the general population, uneducated on such matters, illegal is illegal.