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    Shadow01

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    Sounds like clickbait. Any stats on how many people normally die within any two week period? And pretty good odds the over 80 crowd will exhibit a higher total than those that are younger.
    I would say we can count on this data being as accurate as the CDC covid death counts.
     

    tim87tr

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    Just received an email that my employer is requiring fully vaxxed status by December. Looks like I might be soon unemployed if I'm not granted an exemption or a court doesn't restore sanity in the interim.
    I've posted this in a couple other threads:

    Make the employer responsible for their decisions using the forms below, calling their bluff. File a hostile work environment with the unemployment office to document. This will establish a paper trail and allow unemployment for years until case is heard and then civil action can be taken.

    Once someone signs their rights away with a vax form they're screwed on unemployment, workmans comp, maybe even health insurance, etc.

    I'll also attach an employee rights video from Gainesville, FL, a win for 250 city workers. Robert Barnes is another constitutional lawyer that's all over Rumble and YouTube.


     

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    BugI02

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    Violation of EOC or whatever law that is.

    What law says a religious exemption must be granted?

    Under the laws enforced by EEOC, it is illegal to discriminate against someone (applicant or employee) because of that person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. It is also illegal to retaliate against a person because he or she complained about discrimination, filed a charge of discrimination, or participated in an employment discrimination investigation or lawsuit.

    The law forbids discrimination in every aspect of employment.
     

    buckwacker

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    I've posted this in a couple other threads:

    Make the employer responsible for their decisions using the forms below, calling their bluff. File a hostile work environment with the unemployment office to document. This will establish a paper trail and allow unemployment for years until case is heard and then civil action can be taken.

    Once someone signs their rights away with a vax form they're screwed on unemployment, workmans comp, maybe even health insurance, etc.

    I'll also attach an employee rights video from Gainesville, FL, a win for 250 city workers. Robert Barnes is another constitutional lawyer that's all over Rumble and YouTube.


    Thank you.
     

    foszoe

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    Under the laws enforced by EEOC, it is illegal to discriminate against someone (applicant or employee) because of that person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. It is also illegal to retaliate against a person because he or she complained about discrimination, filed a charge of discrimination, or participated in an employment discrimination investigation or lawsuit.

    The law forbids discrimination in every aspect of employment.
    So if a religious exemption is claimed, according to the law, it MUST be honored?

    What about working on Sundays?
     

    BugI02

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    Just because a whistleblower said something, doesn't make it true.

    If it is accurate, it certainly is interesting to me, since I haven't signed up for the booster at this point. My wife is definitely in the "need much more data" camp. I'm in the "I don't get out much, but yeah, data is good" camp.

    If true, great.

    If not, it's just more anti-vaxx Bravo Sierra.
    If I were vaxed, my concern about a booster would be based on the data that suggests the shot lessens existing natural immunity. What if you are vaxed and have had an asymptomatic/minimally symptomatic case of WuVid and recovered Your immunity may be at a maximum, without you necessarily being aware of it, which a booster will then deplete to an unpredictable degree
     

    Alpo

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    If I were vaxed, my concern about a booster would be based on the data that suggests the shot lessens existing natural immunity. What if you are vaxed and have had an asymptomatic/minimally symptomatic case of WuVid and recovered Your immunity may be at a maximum, without you necessarily being aware of it, which a booster will then deplete to an unpredictable degree
    Correctamundo, Slick.

    That's why I'm not doing anything hasty.

    I did get a text from the CDC asking if I got my booster yet. All my data from the prior stabs has been assigned a national CDC file.

    I want the top bunk in the FEMA camp! Dibs!
     

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    Correctamundo, Slick.

    That's why I'm not doing anything hasty.

    I did get a text from the CDC asking if I got my booster yet. All my data from the prior stabs has been assigned a national CDC file.

    I want the top bunk in the FEMA camp! Dibs!
    FEMA camp rules state; All bedwetters will be restricted to bottom bunks only.
    Sorry but we must have rules. :lmfao:
     

    BugI02

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    So if a religious exemption is claimed, according to the law, it MUST be honored?

    What about working on Sundays?
    Probably covered in the initial offer of employment at specific hours if you accepted that. If you had not been required to work Sundays and then your employer changed your conditions of employment then I believe you would have a valid case

    Just as if your employer had you initial a clause in your employment contract that they (the employer) could require you to accept vaccination for any disease at the employer's discretion you would have no case objecting to a mandate (although many would likely decline that job) and if they did not include such a clause you in fact would have an actionable claim should they try to force the issue.

    Your employer cannot mandate aspects of your healthcare, such as weight proportionate or cholesterol under 200, which is why they use incentives (health insurance discounted rates etc) rather than mandates. There is a certain aspect of bullying in these behaviors since most people lack the resources to take on their employer in court and these corporations will push this **** until someone makes them stop. What we need is a nationwide fund for legal representation as well as perhaps some pro bono attorney volunteers to hand these people their asses a few times in court and put a stop to it

    It should also always be kept in mind that you can lose everything before you finally win in court. Not everyone is cut out to be a test case

    See: Erin Brockovitch
     

    foszoe

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    Probably covered in the initial offer of employment at specific hours if you accepted that. If you had not been required to work Sundays and then your employer changed your conditions of employment then I believe you would have a valid case

    Just as if your employer had you initial a clause in your employment contract that they (the employer) could require you to accept vaccination for any disease at the employer's discretion you would have no case objecting to a mandate (although many would likely decline that job) and if they did not include such a clause you in fact would have an actionable claim should they try to force the issue.

    Your employer cannot mandate aspects of your healthcare, such as weight proportionate or cholesterol under 200, which is why they use incentives (health insurance discounted rates etc) rather than mandates. There is a certain aspect of bullying in these behaviors since most people lack the resources to take on their employer in court and these corporations will push this **** until someone makes them stop. What we need is a nationwide fund for legal representation as well as perhaps some pro bono attorney volunteers to hand these people their asses a few times in court and put a stop to it

    It should also always be kept in mind that you can lose everything before you finally win in court. Not everyone is cut out to be a test case

    See: Erin Brockovitch
    Thanks for the detailed response. I want to clarify one point.

    If I claim a religious exemption from working Sundays that can be denied if the business deems that exemption detrimental to the business?

    Let's make this an employer with over 100 employees with the ability to cover Sundays but we can leave open the possibility that it will cause jealousy among employees.

    If the answer to the above is yes, then, according to the law, how would that be different from denying a religious exemption for vaccination?

    I would think one answer to that would be a reasonable person wouldn't have needed to state such an exemption pre Covid, but I feel like that is an incomplete answer. Other conditions for employment can change over the term of employment.

    I am intentionally narrowing this discussion to religious exemptions.
     

    JettaKnight

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    Looks like the courts will weigh in on exemptions.
    https://julieroys.com/university-of-colorado-faces-covid-religious-exemption-suit/

    my biggest problem with a lot of these claims is the inconsistency and novelty. People who've never had a problem with pork chops before suddenly can't eat any hotdogs, because some hotdogs have pork.

    Simultaneously while making that statement they're eating pork rinds and washing it down with pork soda.
     

    buckwacker

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    Looks like the courts will weigh in on exemptions.
    https://julieroys.com/university-of-colorado-faces-covid-religious-exemption-suit/

    my biggest problem with a lot of these claims is the inconsistency and novelty. People who've never had a problem with pork chops before suddenly can't eat any hotdogs, because some hotdogs have pork.

    Simultaneously while making that statement they're eating pork rinds and washing it down with pork soda.
    What I find fascinating is that you spend way more time b****ing about people's attempts to use religious exemptions to hold onto their autonomy than you do about those trying to take it away.
     
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