Man with air gun killed in Wal-Mart

[Rookie]

Somebody around here usually counsels that people hold off on making conclusions and assigning blame at least until we hear from both sides and have a chance to see the evidence. That guy is a friggin' genius....whoever he is.

Well, I try not to brag...

 

[Robjps]

Then you insulted someone, put [redacted] in your post as if that somehow covered it up,

I forgot to cover this i didn't redact or cover **** up that was a mod. Some fool called me anti leo with which is an ignorant libelous comment and i corrected him.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Witness In Fatal Wal-Mart Police Shooting Changes His Story | The Daily Caller

The "witness" who called the police changed his story. And the murder victim was on the phone with his girlfriend at the time and he told the cops the gun wasn't real. They killed him anyway.

So you believe everything you are told without any corroborating information/research?

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

when, how, where did the woman get shot?!
I could barely see when the dude holding the bb gun was shot.
I didn't see a bystander anywhere and I didn't see the officers shooting anywhere but in the direction of the "guy on the phone".

 

[littletommy]

She had a heart attack.

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

oh ya...

 

[Que]

So, I'm sure everyone agrees the Office of the U.S. Attorney General should investigate this, right? Or is that going too far?

 

[mrjarrell]

So you believe everything you are told without any corroborating information/research?

What, like the killers in this story? Sorry, Frankie, but I've watched this one unfold and it's yet another fairly clear case of itchy trigger fingered cowboys in blue. They get to walk around free while an innocent man is dead. Justice was not served in this case, as is usual.

 

[mrjarrell]

So, I'm sure everyone agrees the Office of the U.S. Attorney General should investigate this, right? Or is that going too far?

There certainly should be an investigation. The ball has already been dropped once and killers are walking around free.

 

[Robjps]

What, like the killers in this story? Sorry, Frankie, but I've watched this one unfold and it's yet another fairly clear case of itchy trigger fingered cowboys in blue. They get to walk around free while an innocent man is dead. Justice was not served in this case, as is usual.

I wouldn't be so hard on police yet. From the sounds of it the guy got swated. They were told it was an active shooter and went in as such. I'm guessing the real criminals are MDA and their policy of calling in any firearm spotted as an active shooter.

 

[prescut]

Later follow up stories has the reporting party making up stuff about what they saw. Last year a guy was shot and killed when someone reported "a man with a gun". He had a CCW and made zero questionable moves. If you carry and have CCW, you have a increased your chances of being shot several hundred fold. The number of people who see a weapon and get upset is growing every day. Once upset they call police and do whatever they can to incite the dispatcher to declare an emergency. That should teach that guy to CCW.

Lost
I have CCW, but don't carry out of the backcountry for this very reason.

 

[littletommy]

Hmmmm.......

 

[Fargo]

dupe

 

[Fargo]

So, I'm sure everyone agrees the Office of the U.S. Attorney General should investigate this, right? Or is that going too far?

I, for one, am glad they are taking a look at it; but I am doubtful it goes anywhere unless the cop has a background of racial incidents.

From where I sit, a state charge along the lines of reckless homicide/vol. manslaughter* would potentially fit the known facts much better.

I would be curious to see what the grand jury was presented, but that is sealed....

*I dunno what OH calls it, but most every state has a variation of it and I'm too lazy to look it up.

 

[Dead Duck]

Later follow up stories has the reporting party making up stuff about what they saw. Last year a guy was shot and killed when someone reported "a man with a gun". He had a CCW and made zero questionable moves. If you carry and have CCW, you have a increased your chances of being shot several hundred fold. The number of people who see a weapon and get upset is growing every day. Once upset they call police and do whatever they can to incite the dispatcher to declare an emergency. That should teach that guy to CCW.

Lost
I have CCW, but don't carry out of the backcountry for this very reason.

Here you go -

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...nse/71996-open-carry-argument.html#post803054

 

[Roland of Gilead]

This press conference gives some more information. Also gives the background on police training evolution since the Columbine shooting. It's long and the audio sucks. They do play the 911 tape in sequence with the video.

Walmart shooting: Surveillance video captures Crawford shooting | www.whio.com

The man calling 911 trying to be a good citizen put cops in bad situation by stating the MWG was pointing the rifle at children and loading the weapon in the middle of the call. It does appear he embellished a bit. Although he had a totally different perspective and distance than the camera's.

The guy with the gun is a f***ing idiot for behaving the way he did with the rifle.

At the end of the video the man presenting showed a SCAR and the non-SCAR the man was carrying.

They would look almost identical at 15 yards.

I agree with the grand jury no charges were warranted.

 

[Robjps]

It does appear he embellished a bit. Although he had a totally different perspective and distance than the camera's.

The guy with the gun is a f***ing idiot for behaving the way he did with the rifle.

At the end of the video the man presenting showed a SCAR and the non-SCAR the man was carrying.
.

A bit? Where to start the fact where he said he was a marine? Where he said he was loading it? Where he was pointing it at children?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9FtNOV6Qhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2hXQxlCLvU

Perhaps if he wasn't booted from the marines 7 weeks in he would have had a clue.

Trying to find his wifes story where she was talking about bravely saving people buy going in front of him to save children from getting close to him lol. To those that said he should have dropped it when told to he clearly didn't have a chance. I don't blame the police they were lied to and acted the best they could with what they had. But that couple should have a hard time sleeping at night.

 

[Roland of Gilead]

A bit? Where to start the fact where he said he was a marine? Where he said he was loading it? Where he was pointing it at children?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9FtNOV6Qhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2hXQxlCLvU

Perhaps if he wasn't booted from the marines 7 weeks in he would have had a clue.

Trying to find his wifes story where she was talking about bravely saving people buy going in front of him to save children from getting close to him lol. To those that said he should have dropped it when told to he clearly didn't have a chance. I don't blame the police they were lied to and acted the best they could with what they had. But that couple should have a hard time sleeping at night.

Sat there and listen to it all and did not hear him identify himself as a Marine. Perhaps he did..no matter.

There is a reason why many of us carry a side arm on this board. There is a reason the FBI and almost all law enforcement agencies changed their protocol. Evil men have gone into places and killed the innocent men women and children. This is the context we live in, right now.

Act crazy with a rifle, in a public situation, point the rifle at anyone, and prepare to die. He wrote his own death sentence by his actions.

Our society is working towards shewing away the slaughter of innocents, maybe, hopefully.

 

[Robjps]

Sat there and listen to it all and did not hear him identify himself as a Marine. Perhaps he did..no matter.

There is a reason why many of us carry a side arm on this board. There is a reason the FBI and almost all law enforcement agencies changed their protocol. Evil men have gone into places and killed the innocent men women and children. This is the context we live in, right now.

Act crazy with a rifle, in a public situation, point the rifle at anyone, and prepare to die. He wrote his own death sentence by his actions.

Our society is working towards shewing away the slaughter of innocents, maybe, hopefully.

Check the articles at the beginning early on he was bragging about being an ex marine it like his entire story turned out to be a lie.

There is a reason many of us carry a side arm on this board and its not so scared little couples can call us in as an active shooter to get us swated.

If picking up a piece of merchandise and casually walking through the store with it while talking on a cellphone is your version of acting crazy i don't know what to say. He never shouldered it, pointed it at anyone tried to load it, anything the 911 caller said. I remember when i had a bird pest control problem. I was at Wal-Mart and opened the box of the nicest air rifle and stood there and inspected,manipulated, coon fingered it until i decided it was worth buying. According to most of the people on this thread i should have been executed for it. Do you have kids ? Be careful if you let them wander in the toy isle they might pick up a toy gun and get executed for it.

 

[in625shooter]

I, for one, am glad they are taking a look at it; but I am doubtful it goes anywhere unless the cop has a background of racial incidents.

From where I sit, a state charge along the lines of reckless homicide/vol. manslaughter* would potentially fit the known facts much better.

I would be curious to see what the grand jury was presented, but that is sealed....

*I dunno what OH calls it, but most every state has a variation of it and I'm too lazy to look it up.

Lets put it on the flip side, say yourself or anyone else for that matter was involved in a shooting and the local jurisdiction deemed it justified how would you feel if the Justice Department decided to have another look see? Totally unnecessary IMHO

Check the articles at the beginning early on he was bragging about being an ex marine it like his entire story turned out to be a lie.

There is a reason many of us carry a side arm on this board and its not so scared little couples can call us in as an active shooter to get us swated.

If picking up a piece of merchandise and casually walking through the store with it while talking on a cellphone is your version of acting crazy i don't know what to say. He never shouldered it, pointed it at anyone tried to load it, anything the 911 caller said. I remember when i had a bird pest control problem. I was at Wal-Mart and opened the box of the nicest air rifle and stood there and inspected,manipulated, coon fingered it until i decided it was worth buying. According to most of the people on this thread i should have been executed for it. Do you have kids ? Be careful if you let them wander in the toy isle they might pick up a toy gun and get executed for it.

We all have looked at air rifles but if we started walking around the store in this day and age we should know what would probably happen especially if you even somewhat shoulder it.

While some of the video is far off he was walking around and appeared to be holding it up towards the kids at one point. What the other cameras show that we might not be seeing who knows. In most cases Police when called to a scene are told make your own case (unless the dispatcher hears something in the background like a beating/shooting whatever in progress then they inform the Officers what they are going into.
From the calmness of the caller it was 100% on the Officers but if he wasn't compiling and had the long gun they did exactly what the majority of any other LEO would have done in most other areas of the country.