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Made huge mistake this morning
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Was he a Kennedy???
Ok, That's funny!
That was my first thought. I had a roomie in college that took that crap and one night he did a bunch of stuff he didn't remember doing the next day. It unnerved him enough that he took his pistol in and sold it.
PGRChaplain
Master
Watched some traning films about sleep walking years ago. Scary things happen and the sleeping person has no idea when they wake up. Thank the Good Lord no one was injured.
I once sleep-drove a fork lift for 2 hours...
I am not talking about simple operations.
I was in a tightly cramped factory with attached warehouse. Going from the manufacturing line with crates of product navigating pedestrian walkways and narrow aisles between machines/lines, into the warehouse, putting the crates in their appropriate places, and back to my line, once per 5 minutes. The space to swing my lift in to pick up a crate off the line gave me about 1" of clearance between the back of my lift and a metal support for the ceiling [i-beam] and about an inch in the front between the forks and the crates on the line.
The only thing I remember is waking up half way through slamming on my brakes to keep from driving into a huge hole they cut in the concrete floor to repair something under the concrete [busted pipe of some kind? Don't remember]. I left skid marks. The next thing I remember is waking up 2 hours later feeling like I got a full night's rest and feeling like a million bucks.
The lift driver on the line next to me asked me, "Did you know you were driving your lift around with your eyes closed and you were snoring quietly?"
I couldn't do it again if you offered me $100,000,000 to make it happen - but I did it that night and I can't say why/how. I was literally asleep and auto-pilot.
I have also gotten up in my sleep and cooked whole dinners, ate them, and then got back to sleep with no memory of it.
Since I've been practicing proper 'sleep hygiene' according to my doctor and the sleep specialist I've not had any such issues. Getting the appropriate amount of sleep and setting myself up for good sleep [involving about 2 hours of relaxation/shutting down prior to going to bed] has been incredibly important.
This is why I think it happened for.I had about 4-5 hours of sleep in 3 days and when that happens I do weird things. My g/f has told me she has had some conversations with me while sleeping and I had no idea what I said or remember even talking to her. I have a busy life so sometimes I don't get proper sleep.
HoughMade I am not discounting what advice you gave me.Things could of been way worse and I could of shot one of my kids.It's a serious matter and I handled it the best way one could without seeing a Dr and I bought a new safe and it will take me more time to get into having to push 6 digits and the # to unlock and then turn the knob to open it. I really hope this never happens again. I have been around guns for 20 years so I am not new to them. I think my Doctor would just tell me to get rid of the guns and not do any further testing. That's kind of how healthcare works anymore thanks to Obamacare.
The safe I picked up is a Pitbull safe and I put the gun in it with the magazine in but no rounds chambered. I just did take the gun out for the first time since I put it in there Wed before bed.I work a dangerous job and would not work it without a firearm with me. For now,the only time it will come out of the safe is when I work nights or go to the range. I am still a little nervous about it and what happened so for me it is just better to have it out when I need it and leave it locked up the rest of the time.
I am glad to see others realize this is serious and can happen to anyone.Not in a million years would I of thought this would happen to me,but it did and I have dealt with it and moving on. I'll eventually carrying on my off days but for now,I will keep doing what I am. Also the safe I bought,the keypad doesn't light up so it makes it harder for me to see the numbers. Took me a few tries to get it out when the boss called me into work a little bit ago.
Thought provoking.
And talk about pucker factor!
And talk about pucker factor!
I know this is a serious matter and not 1 time did I say it wasn't. I posted to warn others that no matter how safe you are and how many years you have owned a firearm,this kind of thing can happen. I have taken steps to avoid another incident and have also moved the safe where the firearm is from beside my bed to on top of my dresser so that I have to get out of bed before I can get to it. I know what risk are involved in owning a firearm,let alone firing a shot off when asleep. This has really made me aware of things more then before and the firearm will never be next to my bed again,it will always be locked up if I am asleep or off work. It's going to take me time to go back to carrying it everyday like before.I am still shaken up over it,which I should be.It could of been worse and I am very lucky that it was just a small hole in the wall and not a human or animal. I really think a lack of sleep was a culprit since I have not been sleeping well. I got a better safe and moved it away from my bedside. I also told my g/f and kids if I sleepwalk,tell me when I am awake so I can go to the Dr and have a sleep study done. Right now I really can't afford a $100 Dr visit and test itself. My insurance is not good so a Dr visit is out of the question for now and he would likely not send me to have a sleep study done,he'd prescribe a sleeping pill likely ambien and I will not take them. I hate taking tylenol for a headache.
I don't disagree with anything you have said in this thread except,for shorter terms,I should not own a firearm. People have done worse and still kept their firearm. I am working the problems out and like I said,if I sleepwalk again I will find a way to get money for the Dr. I don't make a lot of money,buying a new safe wasn't in the budget,but it was a needed item.Yeah I could of used that money towards a Dr bill but I would still had to of bought the safe anyway it goes or I would of had 2 choices,sell the gun or take it to a friends house to keep it away from here for a bit,but I do need it when working so it would of been a pain to go back and forth to his house seeing how I work overnights on the weekend.
TheEngineer
Expert
I believe HoughMade is making more of observation that you should see a sleep specialist because you were "operating" while completely asleep...not just because there was a gun involved. The same advice would be given if you said you got out of bed, went outside, started your car, then went back to bed (just an example).
Just because you go to a doctor does not mean you have to inform him what exactly happened (with the gun that is)...just tell them you were doing odd stuff in your sleep, you're not under oath
Everything said in this thread is just friendly advice...take it or leave it, its your choice. Again, glad everyone is safe and i hope that the safe means this never happens again. Your family is lucky to have someone that will take ownership of their mistakes and take the proper steps to remedy it...not everyone does.
You are 100% correct.
I don't see my work schedule changing anytime soon. But this is the problem,my Dr won't order test like he should. I've had a bum shoulder for the last few months and he won't even send me for xrays. Says it cost to much and insurance is trying to keep testing to a minimal. Obamacare at it's best. Before Obamacare,my Dr would send me to do the normal physical bloodwork and if I hurt my back or any other part of my body he'd send me. Maybe I should replace my Dr. The healthcare industry is in a mess,even 1 local hospital let 150 go and more jobs being cut later. Healthcare field has went bad and insurance companies don't want to pay for anything or pay very little.
I won't say a lack of sleep didn't have a part in what I done but unless I find another job,I see no changes in the future with sleep. So what can a Dr do for that? Not much when I have to stay up and sleep very little.It's only a few days a week I do this and on the other days I sleep more then normal.
I won't say a lack of sleep didn't have a part in what I done but unless I find another job,I see no changes in the future with sleep. So what can a Dr do for that? Not much when I have to stay up and sleep very little.It's only a few days a week I do this and on the other days I sleep more then normal.
How do you normally keep it when not on your person. It sounds like you remove the magazine and unchamber the loaded round? That is a very bad idea. If you do not trust yourself the firearm should be locked up. It sounds like you have been setting yourself up for failure. There is no reason to unload a carry gun unless cleaning and lubing...as a firearm is no good without one in the chamber. We are creatures of habit. My guess is that somewhere in your unconscious you were going through the motions you normally go through...this time when you pulled the trigger it was loaded not unloaded like normal. Get out of the habit of unloading at night and never pull the trigger unless you have checked the chamber.
This has made me rethink my nightstand approach.
Shawn156,
Your experience mirrors an incident that happened to one of my employees...
He was sitting in a staff meeting we were having. My back was turned as I was writing on the whiteboard. All of a sudden an empty drinking glass crashes into the board and shatters about a foot left of my head.
I spin around and two of my employees have my assistant restrained on the floor. He's freaking out, I'm freaking out.
He had absolutely no memory or knowledge of picking up the glass and throwing it at me (his boss). He remembers coming into the meeting and the next thing being tackled on the floor. If it would have been ANYONE else, I would have considered that he was lying and trying to save his job. Instead, I sent him to the hospital.
After about a day of testing, etc. They determined that the active ingredient in the stop smoking patches he had been using was the cause. Apparently in like 1% of the population there's something some abnormal reaction that causes 'waking' dreams.
He had to discontinue the patches and quit smoking cold turkey. It took him a several months to act 'right' again. I think part of that was also due to the fact that he attacked his boss who also happens to be a close friend.
The doctor told him that there have been reports of people driving, cooking, having sex, etc. without their knowledge due to an interaction in this small group of susceptible people.
Your experience mirrors an incident that happened to one of my employees...
He was sitting in a staff meeting we were having. My back was turned as I was writing on the whiteboard. All of a sudden an empty drinking glass crashes into the board and shatters about a foot left of my head.
I spin around and two of my employees have my assistant restrained on the floor. He's freaking out, I'm freaking out.
He had absolutely no memory or knowledge of picking up the glass and throwing it at me (his boss). He remembers coming into the meeting and the next thing being tackled on the floor. If it would have been ANYONE else, I would have considered that he was lying and trying to save his job. Instead, I sent him to the hospital.
After about a day of testing, etc. They determined that the active ingredient in the stop smoking patches he had been using was the cause. Apparently in like 1% of the population there's something some abnormal reaction that causes 'waking' dreams.
He had to discontinue the patches and quit smoking cold turkey. It took him a several months to act 'right' again. I think part of that was also due to the fact that he attacked his boss who also happens to be a close friend.
The doctor told him that there have been reports of people driving, cooking, having sex, etc. without their knowledge due to an interaction in this small group of susceptible people.
Me neither. I never do anything asleep (other than sleep and my wife says snore and break wind (both of which I deny)). I wake up easily if there is any noise or movement in the house. So I will keep my loaded Glock in the nightstand.
At night I would have the gun by me out of a safe,one in the chamber and magazine in it. I never slept with it locked up or one out of the chamber. I now have it in the safe with the magazine in but no rounds in the chamber and I moved the safe to my dresser so I have to get out of bed to get to it.My neighborhood is good so I don't worry to much about someone breaking in. I usually have my cars broken into and I have lived here a year and nothing like that has happened.
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Nothing has changed for me.Been doing the same thing for years. I would find another job,but this economy and my lack of work experience would get me no where in looking.I have tried. Plus I do make more then Min wage which anymore is hard to find. The workforce has changed in the last 20 years and companies are more apt to fire people with many years in right before they can retire to save money.BS but not much can be done about it,so I stay with what I have since I am pretty much my own boss.
