LOOKING FOR A GOOD NFA TRUST LAWER THE OF IND

[Britton]

Contact Grant Liston at 260-423-9411 and tell him that David Fillers forwarded his contact information to you. If you get the secretary tell here your name and that you were referred by David Fillers. Grant is a customer of ours, he is an attorney, he is a competitive shooter, he is a patriot, he is affordable, and extremely pro gun lawyer. Although his main office is out of Fort Wayne he can do all of this through email or over the phone.

 

[Bill B]

@ Britton: Thank you.

 

[CountryBoy19]

Soooo, four pages of who not to use (or maybe he's ok), but still no answer to the OP.
I've been watching this thread hoping for an answer because if I ever get into NFA items it'll be the trust route.
Can anyone provide a cite for the statutory requirements for a NFA trust?

There aren't really any statutory requirements. It just has to be a legal trust. It can be made with a $19.95 computer program, hand-written by yourself, or done by a lawyer, it doesn't matter as long as it is legally considered a trust.

The things that make it an "NFA trust" simply have to do with the wording of the trust to allow the trustees to actually use the assets of the trust, deal with possession and what to do when the grantor dies, etc. Very rarely will you ever encounter any problems with a trust, and most of the time if there is a problem it's because you used a computer program and tried to make it do something it's not made to do (add extra trustees to a "willmaker" trust) or you wrote some extra stuff into it/modified the language yourself without a full understanding of the law.

 

[jedi]

What EXACTLY is a trust? & per CB19 if anyone can make it on a piece of paper (plain paper) then what makes it a trust vs what an ATTY does?

 

[CountryBoy19]

What EXACTLY is a trust? & per CB19 if anyone can make it on a piece of paper (plain paper) then what makes it a trust vs what an ATTY does?

I'll put it into really simply terms.

A trust is a "box". You can place assets into the box. The box now owns those assets, you don't. However, you can remain in control of the box to determine how those assets are used, purchased, sold etc. Most of the time this is done for estate planning etc. because there are certain advantages when the grantor dies and the assets get passed on to the named beneficiaries. It also makes the process of passing those things on more simple.

A trust is "similar" to a will in some ways, but not in others. There are state laws that regulate how/what/etc, and what you can and can't do with a trust. A will can be a simple piece of paper written by you, and often notarized that simply says "I want john to have this, and joan to have this". A trust is a bit more complex because the trust actually owns the items now so it's a bit more complex to write. The thing that makes it a "trust" is when you have it notarized. It is now a trust, and likely you will never know if it is a legal trust or not until it is challenged by somebody.

You have to be more careful of how a trust is worded because you're quite literally giving those possessions away; you're giving them to a piece of paper under the agreement that you still get to control them. If something isn't worded properly or there is a mistake, you could literally lose those items.

ETA, here is a basic trust done by a member of some other forums to give you an idea of what is inside of one. The guy that wrote the trust is an a$$ and I can't stand his guts, so I wouldn't "trust" his trust at all, but it will still give you an idea.

Declaration of Trust

Part 1. Trust Name
This revocable living trust shall be known as the Name of your trust Revocable Living Trust.

Part 2. Declaration of Trust
Your Name, called the grantor, declares that he has transferred and delivered to the trustee all his interest in the property described in Schedule A attached to this Declaration of Trust. All of that property is called the "trust property." The trustee hereby acknowledges receipt of the trust property and agrees to hold the trust property in trust, according to this Declaration of Trust.
The grantor may add property to the trust.

Part 3. Terminology
The term "this Declaration of Trust" includes any provisions added by valid amendment.

Part 4. Amendment and Revocation
A. Amendment or Revocation by Grantor
The grantor may amend or revoke this trust at any time, without notifying any beneficiary. An amendment must be made in writing and signed by the grantor. Revocation may be in writing or any manner allowed by law.
B. Amendment or Revocation by Other Person
The power to revoke or amend this trust is personal to the grantor. A conservator, guardian or other person shall not exercise it on behalf of the grantor, unless the grantor specifically grants a power to revoke or amend this trust in a Durable Power of Attorney.

Part 5. Payments From Trust During Grantor's Lifetime
The trustee shall pay to or use for the benefit of the grantor as much of the net income and principal of the trust property as the grantor requests. Income shall be paid to the grantor at least annually. Income accruing in or paid to trust accounts shall be deemed to have been paid to the grantor.

Part 6. Trustees
A. Trustee
Your name shall be the trustee of this trust.
B. Trustee's Responsibilities
The trustee in office shall serve as trustee of all trusts created under this Declaration of Trust, including children's subtrusts.
C. Terminology
In this Declaration of Trust, the term "trustee" includes successor trustees or alternate successor trustees serving as trustee of this trust. The singular "trustee" also includes the plural.
D. Successor Trustee
Upon the death or incapacity of Your name, the trustee of this trust and of any children's subtrusts created by it shall be Name of secondary trustees. Each successor trustee has full and independent authority to act for and represent the trust. If Name of secondary trustees are unable or unwilling to serve as successor trustee, Name of successor trustees shall serve as trustee. Each of them has full and independent authority to act for and represent the trust.
E. Resignation of Trustee
Any trustee in office may resign at any time by signing a notice of resignation. The resignation shall be delivered to the person or institution who is either named in this Declaration of Trust, or appointed by the trustee under Section F of this Part, to next serve as the trustee.
F. Power to Appoint Successor Trustee
If no one named in this Declaration of Trust as a successor trustee or alternate successor trustee is willing or able to serve as trustee, the last acting trustee may appoint a successor trustee and may require the posting of a reasonable bond, to be paid for from the trust property. The appointment must be made in writing, signed by the trustee and notarized.
G. Bond
No bond shall be required for any trustee named in this Declaration of Trust.
H. Compensation
No trustee shall receive any compensation for serving as trustee, unless the trustee serves as a trustee of a child's subtrust created by this Declaration of Trust.
I. Liability of Trustee
With respect to the exercise or non-exercise of discretionary powers granted by this Declaration of Trust, the trustee shall not be liable for actions taken in good faith. Such actions shall be binding on all persons interested in the trust property.

Part 7. Trustee's Management Powers and Duties
A. Powers Under State Law
The trustee shall have all authority and powers allowed or conferred on a trustee under Maryland law, subject to the trustee's fiduciary duty to the grantors and the beneficiaries.
B. Specified Powers
The trustee's powers include, but are not limited to:
1. The power to sell trust property, and to borrow money and to encumber trust property, including trust real estate, by mortgage, deed of trust or other method.
2. The power to manage trust real estate as if the trustee were the absolute owner of it, including the power to lease (even if the lease term may extend beyond the period of any trust) or grant options to lease the property, to make repairs or alterations and to insure against loss.
3. The power to sell or grant options for the sale or exchange of any trust property, including stocks, bonds, debentures and any other form of security or security account, at public or private sale for cash or on credit.
4. The power to invest trust property in every kind of property and every kind of investment, including but not limited to bonds, debentures, notes, mortgages, stock options, futures and stocks, and including buying on margin.
5. The power to receive additional property from any source and add it to any trust created by this Declaration of Trust.
6. The power to employ and pay reasonable fees to accountants, lawyers or investment experts for information or advice relating to the trust.
7. The power to deposit and hold trust funds in both interest-bearing and non-interest bearing accounts.
8. The power to deposit funds in bank or other accounts, whether or not they are insured by the FDIC.
9. The power to enter into electronic fund transfers or safe deposit arrangements with financial institutions.
10. The power to continue any business of the grantor.
11. The power to institute or defend legal actions concerning this trust or the grantor's affairs.
12. The power to execute any documents necessary to administer any trust created by this Declaration of Trust.
13. The power to diversify investments, including authority to decide that some or all of the trust property need not produce income.

Part 8. Incapacity of Grantor
If the grantor becomes physically or mentally incapacitated, whether or not a court has declared the grantor incompetent or in need of a conservator or guardian, the successor trustee named in Part 6 shall be trustee.
The determination of the grantor's capacity to manage this trust shall be made by those of the people listed here who are reasonably available when the successor trustee (or any of them, if two or more are named to serve together) requests their opinion. These people are: Three people you trust that can rule if you are crazy or not. If a majority of them state, in writing, that in their opinion the grantor is no longer reasonably capable of serving as trustee, the successor trustee shall serve as trustee.
In that event, the trustee shall manage the trust property. The trustee shall use any amount of trust income or trust property necessary for the grantor's proper health care, support, maintenance, comfort and welfare, in accordance with the grantor's accustomed manner of living. Any income not spent for the benefit of the grantor shall be accumulated and added to the trust property. Income shall be paid to the grantor at least annually. Income accruing in or paid to trust accounts shall be deemed to have been paid to the grantor.
The successor trustee shall manage the trust until the grantor is again able to manage his affairs. The determination of the grantor's capacity to again manage this trust shall be made in the manner specified just above.

Part 9. Death of a Grantor
When the grantor dies, this trust shall become irrevocable. It may not be amended or altered except as provided for by this Declaration of Trust. It may be terminated only by the distributions authorized by this Declaration of Trust.
The trustee may pay out of trust property such amounts as necessary for payment of the grantor's debts, estate taxes and expenses of the grantor's last illness and funeral.

Part 10. Beneficiaries
At the death of the grantor, the trustee shall distribute the trust property as follows:
1. Person who gets your stuff when you dieshall be given all Your name interest in the trust property. If Person who gets your stuff when you die does not survive Your name, that property shall be given to Backup person who gets your stuff when you die.
All distributions are subject to any provision in this Declaration of Trust that creates a child's subtrust or a custodianship under the Uniform Transfers to Minors Act.
A beneficiary must survive the grantor for 120 hours to receive property under this Declaration of Trust. As used in this Declaration of Trust, to survive means to be alive or in existence as an organization.
All personal and real property left through this trust shall pass subject to any encumbrances or liens placed on the property as security for the repayment of a loan or debt.
If property is left to two or more beneficiaries to share, they shall share it equally unless this Declaration of Trust provides otherwise. If any of them does not survive the grantor, the others shall take that beneficiary's share, to share equally, unless this Declaration of Trust provides otherwise.

Part 11. Custodianships Under the Uniform Transfers to Minors Act
1. Any property to which Name of person who gets yor stuff when you die (if under 21) becomes entitled under Part 10 of this Declaration of Trust shall be given to Custodian of trust for those under 21 (I used my wife), as custodian for Name of person who gets your stuff (if under 21) under the Maryland Uniform Transfers to Minors Act, until Name of person who gets your stuff (if under 21) reaches the age of 21. If Custodian of trust for those under 21 (I used my wife) is unable or ceases to serve as custodian, Backup custodian of trust for those under 21 shall serve as custodian.

Part 12. Grantor's Right to Homestead Tax Exemption
If the grantor's principal residence is held in trust, the grantor has the right to possess and occupy it for life, rent-free and without charge except for taxes, insurance, maintenance and related costs and expenses. This right is intended to give the grantor a beneficial interest in the property and to ensure that the grantor does not lose eligibility for a state homestead tax exemption for which he otherwise qualifies.

Part 13. Severability of Clauses
If any provision of this Declaration of Trust is ruled unenforceable, the remaining provisions shall stay in effect.



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Certification of Grantor
I certify that I have read this Declaration of Trust and that it correctly states the terms and conditions under which the trust property is to be held, managed and disposed of by the trustee, and I approve the Declaration of Trust.

_____________________________________Dated: ______________
Your name, Grantor and Trustee

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CERTIFICATE OF ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF NOTARY PUBLIC

State of Maryland )
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County of )
On ____________________, __________ before me, _____________________, a notary public in and for said state, personally appeared Your name, personally known to me (or proved on the basis of satisfactory evidence) to be the person whose name is subscribed to the within instrument, and acknowledged to me that he executed the same in his authorized capacity, and that by his signature on the instrument the person, or the entity upon behalf of which the person acted, executed the instrument.
WITNESS my hand and official seal.

Notary Public for the State of Maryland
[NOTARIAL SEAL]My commission expires:

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SCHEDULE A

1. Stuff you put in the trust
2. Stuff you put in the trust

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Assignment of Property

I, Your name, as grantor of the Name of the trust Revocable Living Trust dated ____________________, __________, hereby assign and transfer all of my rights, title and interest in the following property:
1. Stuff you put in the trust
2. Stuff you put in the trust
to Your name, as trustee of the Name of trust Revocable Living Trust dated ____________________, __________.

Executed at ____________________, _______________, on ____________________, __________.

___________________________________________
Your name, Grantor and Trustee

__________________

 

[samot]

There aren't really any statutory requirements. It just has to be a legal trust. It can be made with a $19.95 computer program, hand-written by yourself, or done by a lawyer, it doesn't matter as long as it is legally considered a trust.

The things that make it an "NFA trust" simply have to do with the wording of the trust to allow the trustees to actually use the assets of the trust, deal with possession and what to do when the grantor dies, etc. Very rarely will you ever encounter any problems with a trust, and most of the time if there is a problem it's because you used a computer program and tried to make it do something it's not made to do (add extra trustees to a "willmaker" trust) or you wrote some extra stuff into it/modified the language yourself without a full understanding of the law.

Ya....
I dont know....
Im not here to ruffle feathers , but i understand it a little different.
These cookie cutter trusts people are getting approved for arent having to work yet!! The trust doesnt have to "work" untill someone kicks the bucket & a highly regulated NFA item has to be transferred.
How the specifics of NFA transfers work with trusts and all of the variations in legal requirements from state to state can cause issues. NFA transfers are very specific about how and when a transfer, legal or otherwise, takes place. Many generic trusts are oblivious to the transfer mechanism and just assume that the items in trust are plain old ordinary things. This is where things break down. IANAL, it would really benefit you to sit down with one, pay him/her a couple of hundred bucks, and understand the specific NFA nature of the trust... A generic trust to hold your Pokemon card collection for your descendants is an easy thing to slap together because Pokemon cards are not a highly regulated and restricted item. How and when an NFA item moves is.

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[mjrducky]

Ya....
I dont know....
Im not here to ruffle feathers , but i understand it a little different.
These cookie cutter trusts people are getting approved for arent having to work yet!! The trust doesnt have to "work" untill someone kicks the bucket & a highly regulated NFA item has to be transferred.
How the specifics of NFA transfers work with trusts and all of the variations in legal requirements from state to state can cause issues. NFA transfers are very specific about how and when a transfer, legal or otherwise, takes place. Many generic trusts are oblivious to the transfer mechanism and just assume that the items in trust are plain old ordinary things. This is where things break down. IANAL, it would really benefit you to sit down with one, pay him/her a couple of hundred bucks, and understand the specific NFA nature of the trust... A generic trust to hold your Pokemon card collection for your descendants is an easy thing to slap together because Pokemon cards are not a highly regulated and restricted item. How and when an NFA item moves is.

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I agree you should talk to a lawyer just to be sure the "cookie cutter" form will work dont just assume it will. Again common sense here says triple check everything. Last thing you want is someone to say it wasn't dated and therefore invalid.

 

[Tactical Dave]

Pretty much sums up how I feel...

 

[CountryBoy19]

Ya....
I dont know....
Im not here to ruffle feathers , but i understand it a little different.
These cookie cutter trusts people are getting approved for arent having to work yet!! The trust doesnt have to "work" untill someone kicks the bucket & a highly regulated NFA item has to be transferred.
How the specifics of NFA transfers work with trusts and all of the variations in legal requirements from state to state can cause issues. NFA transfers are very specific about how and when a transfer, legal or otherwise, takes place. Many generic trusts are oblivious to the transfer mechanism and just assume that the items in trust are plain old ordinary things. This is where things break down. IANAL, it would really benefit you to sit down with one, pay him/her a couple of hundred bucks, and understand the specific NFA nature of the trust... A generic trust to hold your Pokemon card collection for your descendants is an easy thing to slap together because Pokemon cards are not a highly regulated and restricted item. How and when an NFA item moves is.

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I absolutely agree with your standpoint. I wasn't really saying the willmaker trusts or any generic trusts are good for NFA, because IMHO they're not. I was just putting them out there to demonstrate that trusts can be very basic. I would actually say that I am a proponent of getting a real lawyer to do your NFA trust for the very reasons you mentioned.

I agree you should talk to a lawyer just to be sure the "cookie cutter" form will work dont just assume it will. Again common sense here says triple check everything. Last thing you want is someone to say it wasn't dated and therefore invalid.

IANAL but I do have a basic understanding of things surrounding trusts. I'm not sure what IN's laws are regarding perpetuity either. But I'll still give this a shot.

All of that depends on the language contained within the trust. Most trusts (like the one above) have a clause that states once the grantor dies, the trust becomes irrevocable (it cannot be modified in any way). The assets must be distributed to the named beneficiaries of the trust, but I'm not sure if there is a time-line that says how long they can remain in trust.

So yes, the trust still exists after your death, but it probably won't be in the same form as it was before your death.

 

[Stainer]

apparently wasn't on the last page like I thought I was so I inadvertently posted without reading all the way through. I'm gonna look into the guy britton suggested.

 

[DoctorJ32174]

Make damn sure you have a lawyer draft your trust and or Last Will. Reading through this thread gives me shivers thinking non-lawyers know the complexities of probate law - and they ARE complex. Sure, you can buy a trust document at Office Max, but if it doesn't comply with Indiana law, you just wasted your money and your beneficiaries will spend their inheritance hiring a lawyer to straighten it out. The comment above about a Will being on a piece of paper and notarized is ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Hire a lawyer and do it right the first time and sleep at night knowing it's done the way you want. You should also know a trust is not just a "box" to put things into. Once a trust is created, the trustee has duties imposed upon him by Indiana law that must be followed to the letter. Some may include getting a federal ID number for the trust, preparing annual accountings, filing federal and state tax returns, etc. Yes, I'm a lawyer. I've made thousands of dollars preparing all sorts of trusts. I've also made tens of thousands of dollars trying to straighten out improperly prepared trusts.

 

[CountryBoy19]

Make damn sure you have a lawyer draft your trust and or Last Will. Reading through this thread gives me shivers thinking non-lawyers know the complexities of probate law - and they ARE complex. Sure, you can buy a trust document at Office Max, but if it doesn't comply with Indiana law, you just wasted your money and your beneficiaries will spend their inheritance hiring a lawyer to straighten it out.

So are you stating that all trusts from a computer program aren't valid? You're ABSOLUTELY WRONG. I don't think anybody ever said they're all valid, and I don't think anybody ever recommended using them. I did say that you could use one if you wanted to take that risk.

The comment above about a Will being on a piece of paper and notarized is ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Hire a lawyer and do it right the first time and sleep at night knowing it's done the way you want.

Oh really? Please enlighten us all. What is the law in IN regarding a will? As far as I am aware the will can be hand-written, as long as it has been signed by 2 witnesses (the notary would count as a witness). Typically when a document is signed by a notary there is also a witness involved. The other witness in this case was "understood". Do you know something I don't know or did you just stuff your foot in your big mouth?

ETA, I just looked up the requirements, and in fact, I am correct, you just need 2 disinterested witnesses to sign. I stated that you need a notary to sign. That was over-stated, as the requirements are actually less than that (notary isn't required, just 2 disinterested witnesses). So you come on here screaming about how you need to take extra precautions etc, and then call me out on a technicality for taking extra precaution (stating that a notary would work)? You're sort of contradicting yourself a little bit aren't you?

You should also know a trust is not just a "box" to put things into. Once a trust is created, the trustee has duties imposed upon him by Indiana law that must be followed to the letter. Some may include getting a federal ID number for the trust, preparing annual accountings, filing federal and state tax returns, etc

You're killing me here...
You took my comments out of context. How would you describe a trust to a person that asks "What exactly is a trust"? I think a "box" is a really good analogy, do you have a better one? I never said it was a real, physical box, and I never said the trustees didn't have responsibilities, as a matter of fact, if you read my entire post you'll find that I specifically outlined some of the responsibilities of the trustees.

I'm a lawyer. I've made thousands of dollars preparing all sorts of trusts. I've also made tens of thousands of dollars trying to straighten out improperly prepared trusts.

No ****? You seem just like a lawyer. Came here with your nose up in the air, tooting your horn, and acting like you know something we don't know when every single comment that came out of your mouth was either wrong or something that we already knew from previous discussion in this thread. Just like I mentioned earlier, even when a lawyer is wrong, he is still right in his own mind.

 

[DoctorJ32174]

. Someday you will need a lawyer. Hope you can find one that puts up with your juvenile, irrational arguments.

 

[CountryBoy19]

. Someday you will need a lawyer. Hope you can find one that puts up with your juvenile, irrational arguments.

Wow, didn't think you'd give up that easy, must've been standing on pretty weak arguments.

If you honestly think my comments are wrong or irrational then why don't you please address them and provide supporting evidence? Is that so hard to do? It should be pretty easy if I'm wrong.

 

[jedi]

Can we please stay on topic before we get the CLOSED HAMMER tossed at us and the MODs lock this thread. It has been a very informative thread regarding this topic. I'm with some of the other posters who are probably subscribed to this thread but have not spoken. In the end I would like to see a stikcy with a summary of the possible routes/steps to take to make/get an NFA Trust.

Something like

Option 1: NFA Trust from ATTY in FL who works with ATTY in your area
Comments from members who have done this
Comments from anyone who has USED this (ie. the TRUST was used)

Option 2: IN ATTY doing trust
Comments from members who have done this
Comments from anyone who has USED this (ie. the TRUST was used)

Option 3: "sofwtare" trust
Comments from members who have done this
Comments from anyone who has USED this (ie. the TRUST was used)

At this point this is what it appears we have in terms of options but I have yet to see if anyone or anyone's family member has used a TRUST with NFA stuff in it.



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[Stainer]

Can we please stay on topic before we get the CLOSED HAMMER tossed at us and the MODs lock this thread. It has been a very informative thread regarding this topic. I'm with some of the other posters who are probably subscribed to this thread but have not spoken. In the end I would like to see a stikcy with a summary of the possible routes/steps to take to make/get an NFA Trust.

Something like

Option 1: NFA Trust from ATTY in FL who works with ATTY in your area
Comments from members who have done this
Comments from anyone who has USED this (ie. the TRUST was used)

Option 2: IN ATTY doing trust
Comments from members who have done this
Comments from anyone who has USED this (ie. the TRUST was used)

Option 3: "sofwtare" trust
Comments from members who have done this
Comments from anyone who has USED this (ie. the TRUST was used)

At this point this is what it appears we have in terms of options but I have yet to see if anyone or anyone's family member has used a TRUST with NFA stuff in it.

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I'm with this guy. I was looking for good information in this thread and read a lot of argument. Which is good when it ends in a solution but this one was left kind of untouched. We all want solutions, so someone throw them out there.

 

[CountryBoy19]

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I'm with this guy. I was looking for good information in this thread and read a lot of argument. Which is good when it ends in a solution but this one was left kind of untouched. We all want solutions, so someone throw them out there.

I tried to get it to that point. I asked the other two guys to just call David, get a full description of the process and how it is safe/unsafe and then give us their opinion. Neither one of them wanted to do that, I'm sure because they'll find out that their fear-mongering was unfounded. I think that was the best chance we had at coming to a solution, but I think they were just afraid to be wrong. It's pretty hard to argue that you're still right when it's another lawyer that tells you that you're wrong.

Myself, I've talked to David both on the phone and via email, and it seems pretty safe to me.

BTW, I have the trust from David Goldman, I have NFA items in the trust and I haven't had any problems as of yet. David has always been eager to help me with any problems/questions I've had, that can't be said for some local lawyers. I've encountered some lawyers that won't answer any questions etc without starting the timer and keeping track of their time. David is always willing to answer your questions. Back on track, my trust hasn't been truly "tested" yet because I'm still kicking.

 

[mjrducky]

I think the short notes on this thread comes down to this.

1. You can do your own trust (quicken) - you run the risk and there's no promise it will be right when you need it most.

2. You can use the Florida connection NFAtrust and have a trust set up for you and reviewed by an Indiana Attorney and be legal.

3. There has yet to be a lawyer from Indiana step up and say "You want an NFA trust" then I am your man / woman.
(now Britton provided a lead and maybe the "man" but not sure yet if thats the case). So until there is an Indiana Lawyer who says NFA and trust in the same sentence there just doing trusts and I think the general consensus is that an Indiana Lawyer doing trusts is not enough - must say NFA trust because of the wording?

Again this is how I see this thread reflecting on the readers - true or not true thats how I see the topics in this thread and I'm just trying to simplify the whole thread.

So if you can say I've done #1 , #2, or #3 - than provide the information on who, where, when and make everyone happy cause thats what were looking for.

 

[AJMD429]

3. There has yet to be a lawyer from Indiana step up and say "You want an NFA trust" then I am your man / woman.

Yeah, what's the deal on that, anyway...?

Given that NFA items are pricey, and without stereotyping too much, I think one could imagine that therefore most attorneys would be among the potential purchasers of NFA items. Most attorneys I've known like 'cool' stuff, and aren't afraid of pushing boundaries in their hobbies, so I'll bet a higher-than-demographic percentage of NFA owners are attorneys.

So it seems odd that a fair number of them haven't familiarized themselves with the 'NFA trust' thing, if for no other reason than to enable family members and other 'trust' members the ability to share their hobby.

• Maybe the NFA trust isn't really all that useful or necessary?
• Maybe the income they'd get doing them wouldn't offset the time needed?
• Maybe they are secretly conspiring to only let fellow attorneys in on the process, then buy up all the NFA guns and take over Indiana?

Really, with the thousands of NFA owners and thousands of attorneys around, you'd think dozens and dozens would say "Hey, I can do those; I've done fifty of them just last year, and here's my number..."

 

[hmaverick]

NFA Trust lawyer

Here I am. Lol. Sorry to bring this post back from the dead but it's still on the top page of Google searches.

My name is Marc Halata. Im not sure of advertising rules on this site but if anybody has specific or general questions about nfa trusts, I don't mind answering them, even if I'm not creating a trust for you. I've done several hundred of these for people all over the state and I'm sure there are a few here that can vouch for me. I can guarantee you I'm super affordable on these and I offer lifetime legal support on all of my trusts.

Any questions about trusts or nfa items don't hesitate to ask, weekends or evenings too.

Marc Halata
The Law Offices of Marc Halata
708.307.7973

I'm located in Greenfield, just east of Indianapolis, but I do these for people all over the state.

Yeah, what's the deal on that, anyway...?

Given that NFA items are pricey, and without stereotyping too much, I think one could imagine that therefore most attorneys would be among the potential purchasers of NFA items. Most attorneys I've known like 'cool' stuff, and aren't afraid of pushing boundaries in their hobbies, so I'll bet a higher-than-demographic percentage of NFA owners are attorneys.

So it seems odd that a fair number of them haven't familiarized themselves with the 'NFA trust' thing, if for no other reason than to enable family members and other 'trust' members the ability to share their hobby.

• Maybe the NFA trust isn't really all that useful or necessary?
• Maybe the income they'd get doing them wouldn't offset the time needed?
• Maybe they are secretly conspiring to only let fellow attorneys in on the process, then buy up all the NFA guns and take over Indiana?

Really, with the thousands of NFA owners and thousands of attorneys around, you'd think dozens and dozens would say "Hey, I can do those; I've done fifty of them just last year, and here's my number..."