Long gun carry in vehicle

[Slow Hand]

OK, I know this has to have been covered before, but I can't find it. I screwed up and let my carry permit expire; is it legal to carry a loaded long gun in my vehicle within reach of me while I drive? Hopefully I'll be abel to apply for my lifetime this week so I"ll never have to worry about this again! I feel naked without a couple of guns within reach!

Thanks,
Doug K

 

[42769vette]

carry long gun away

 

[Lex Concord]

Yep, just be sure it's a true long gun (with a stock).

As curraheeguns posted a month or so ago, the Marion County prosecutor considers a shotgun with a pistol grip to be....a pistol.

Lifetime is the way to go.

 

[LEaSH]

And to clarify: loaded is legal. Correct?

I can look it up myself, but would like to have others know it as well.

I'm not too sure the pistol grip (mossberg j.I.c. for example) would stick if a half decent defense lawyer were dispatched. But if there's precedent, it would still be a pita.

 

[Lex Concord]

And to clarify: loaded is legal. Correct?

I can look it up myself, but would like to have others know it as well.

I'm not too sure the pistol grip (mossberg j.I.c. for example) would stick if a half decent defense lawyer were dispatched. But if there's precedent, it would still be a pita.

You may be right, but knowing that the willingness to prosecute is there, it's not something over which I'd be willing to risk my liberty if I didn't have an LTCH.

 

[Slow Hand]

Sweet, guys! Kel Tec SUB2K is moving back in tomorrow! You guys who've shot FNS with me can understand why I like having it close to me!

Thanks again,
Doug K

 

[Kirk Freeman]

As curraheeguns posted a month or so ago, the Marion County prosecutor considers a shotgun with a pistol grip to be....a pistol.

It matters not what the Marion County Prosecuting Attorney thinks, it matter that the Court of Appeals has held that a shotgun without shoulder stock is a handgun requiring a LTCH. Estep v. State, 716 N.E.2d 986 (Ind. Ct. App. 1999).

You can carry a goofy shotgun, see Jeremy's Shotgun Doctrine, but one must, 1) be as hot as Milla Jovovich, 2) have a LTCH.

And to clarify: loaded is legal. Correct?

Depends. Are we just driving about, or are we going hunting?

Be advised that IDNR hunting regs may apply depending on where you are.

 

[rambone]

Unless I am mistaken, there are no Indiana laws that say a thing about guns being loaded or unloaded, despite their type or location.

 

[Eddie]

Loaded

Kirk is correct. If you are out on a country road just before dawn with a shotgun full of slugs and a Conservation Officer stops you, you are at least going to be investigated so that they can determine whether or not you are hunting without a license. This is another one of those situations where the officer will be looking at the totality of the circumstances and deciding whether to cite you or not.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

This is the deciding factor in whether carrying a goofy shotgun is permissible:

Are you as hot as this=>







Test for Jeremy's Silly Shotgun Doctrine=>

 

[GuyRelford]

And to clarify: loaded is legal. Correct?

I can look it up myself, but would like to have others know it as well.

I'm not too sure the pistol grip (mossberg j.I.c. for example) would stick if a half decent defense lawyer were dispatched. But if there's precedent, it would still be a pita.

Here is Indiana's statutory definition of a "handgun," requiring a LTCH to have in a vehicle:

"IC 35-47-1-6
'Handgun'
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches."

You can see where the pistol grip issue comes in - with the "designed . . . to be aimed and fired from one hand" language.

 

[Suprtek]

I can't claim any expertise in the applicable laws, however one of my main concerns would be the possibility of the long gun getting stolen if left in a vehicle. Depending on where you are, a firearm in plain site could be too hard to resist for many BG's.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Here is Indiana's statutory definition of a "handgun," requiring a LTCH to have in a vehicle:

"IC 35-47-1-6
'Handgun'
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches."

You can see where the pistol grip issue comes in - with the "designed . . . to be aimed and fired from one hand" language.

OK, so if it has a pistol grip and a vertical foregrip, would that make it an AOW or a shotty, designed to be fired with two hands? (or both?)

 

[Calvin]

Whoever can fire a pistol gripped 12 guage one handed is a complete stud.

 

[roscott]

Whoever can fire a pistol gripped 12 guage one handed is a complete stud.

Why thank you.



If the overall length just has to be under 26", does that mean it's legal to run around with the pistol grip shotgun under the trenchcoat?

Or, if you're a fan of OC, strapped to your back?



Also, does the long gun in the vehicle have to be in plain sight, or could it be tucked away?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Plain sight?

O.K., where's this coming from? Some variant of Kirk's First Law???

 

[Kirk Freeman]

If the overall length just has to be under 26", does that mean it's legal to run around with the pistol grip shotgun under the trenchcoat?

If the overall length is under 26", you're in trouble, even if you pay the federal tax.

You can "run around" with a pistol grip shotgun over 26" under your trenchcoat if comply with Jeremy's Silly Shotgun Doctrine:

1. You are as hot as Milla Jovovich, AND,
2. You have a LTCH as your goofy shotgun is considered a handgun under Indiana law.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

If you are this hot, THEN and you then may you carry a goofy shotgun. Oh, yeah, you have to fight zombies too.

 

[cce1302]

Here is Indiana's statutory definition of a "handgun," requiring a LTCH to have in a vehicle:

"IC 35-47-1-6
'Handgun'
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches."

You can see where the pistol grip issue comes in - with the "designed . . . to be aimed and fired from one hand" language.

I don't care if that's the opinion of the court, it's a stupid interpretation, calling a shotgun (with an 18" barrel) and a pistol grip a handgun. I'd like to see the idiot lawyer who decided that go ahead and try to shoot my 870 one-handed.

 

[Bill of Rights]

If the overall length is under 26", you're in trouble, even if you pay the federal tax....

In most cases, yes, Kirk, but correct me if I'm mistaken, I think such aminals as the Serbu Super Shorty or the KEG-12 are excluded. IIRC, made from a 12g that has only ever had a pistol grip, they are considered AOWs and transfer for $5.00.

Serbu

Serbu in holster-OC Party! (note that I do not believe these are being commercially made anymore)

KEG-12

I'm guessing you were only referring to the statute on SBSs, but since this was never designed to be shoulder-fired, it falls outside that law. Silly, but hell, take advantage of it if you can afford to do so!

Blessings,
Bill