Logical extensions of bathroom decision

[Medic2464]

Im just gonna pee outside from now on when Im not at home

 

[Shadow8088]

Uh, that's not a debate we're allowed to have in 2016 Murrica.

It's been decided, we are special little flowers, each born with a preprogrammed set of compulsions. There shall be no judging. There is no "normal".

I agree with one part of that statement. There is no normal.

 

[eldirector]

I would suggest that if one wants to be treated as if they are something they are not, then they should have the opportunity.

Both men and women, regardless of their birth gender, should be in the Selective Service (or there should be NO Selective Service at all. Pick one)

If any laws are based on gender, then one should be subject to them based on one's selected gender.

If a man is taking hormones, they he most CERTAINLY should have a mammogram on occasion. Kinda the whole point, isn't it? Conversely, a woman taking testosterone should have more frequent heart scans. Duh.

A man that identifies as a woman should receive a 20+% pay cut. Conversely, a woman who identifies as a man should get a raise. One should be subject to all cultural norms, including the ones one does not like. Not everything is unicorns and rainbows for the "other" gender.

 

[hoosierdoc]

You're very binary in your thinking.

not really, just highlighting what I've been taught by the idiot left

 

[printcraft]

Correct. and women who have transitioned to men can use the men's room

like this fine gentlemen:
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What does james yeager have to do with this?

I agree with one part of that statement. There is no normal.

Yes there is. Normal is what 99% of the population is. Sorry but those are the facts. Wishing otherwise doesn't make it so.

Saying there is no normal to make yourself feel better is like a poor person saying money doesn't buy happiness.

 

[The Meach]

not really, just highlighting what I've been taught by the idiot left

what you are doing is illustrating why many people turn to the left to defend their social freedoms and civil liberties.

If an individuals actions do not infringe upon the rights of others then what's all the fuss? the left isn't saying you have to like it or even accept it, they are saying you should just ignore them and get on with your day.

 

[Lowe0]

not really, just highlighting what I've been taught by the idiot left

No, you're not. You can't even get the left's position on this correct. You asserted in the first post in this thread that gender dysphoria is a choice.

When you come up with your own incorrect version of someone else's argument, and then attribute it to them, that's a strawman.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Yes, and I am going to start identifying as an Iowa-class battleship and start demanding DoD funding!

Careful. They'll just retire you and give you away to a not for profit.

You're very binary in your thinking.

I Agree. According to Facebook he left out 54 other gender choices.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Yes, and I am going to start identifying as an Iowa-class battleship and start demanding DoD funding!

....OK, I'm really fighting temptation on this one...

 

[Beowulf]

Oh man, I don't know if I have the energy for another one of these threads.

Topless Laws - GoTopless

Does anyone else find it a little bit ironic that GoTopless.org sells t-shirts?

 

[hoosierdoc]

No, you're not. You can't even get the left's position on this correct. You asserted in the first post in this thread that gender dysphoria is a choice.

When you come up with your own incorrect version of someone else's argument, and then attribute it to them, that's a strawman.

Nope, not at all. I am discussing a genetic male living life as a female. A genetic male has the choice whether to dress like a male or a female and which lifestyle he wants to lead. One can argue whether he was born with a female gender identity or not, but bottom line is it's an active choice to live life as a male or a female. You are arguing that it is not, but really you are arguing that their FEELING like a man or a woman is not a choice, which is not what I'm talking about.

i am stipulating everything the left wants. I'm simply asking if a person has "become" the gender they want to be (and you'll say it's not about a want, it's about an "is", and I'll say that's not what I'm talking about) what other things does society need to do in order to treat them as the gender identity they are living.

i look at genetics and anatomy as gender, but am putting that aside for this discussion and then being ripped by people accusing me of confusing the two

yeesh.

 

[hoosierdoc]

what you are doing is illustrating why many people turn to the left to defend their social freedoms and civil liberties.

If an individuals actions do not infringe upon the rights of others then what's all the fuss? the left isn't saying you have to like it or even accept it, they are saying you should just ignore them and get on with your day.

please. They left is WAAAAY more intrusive in how everyone lives their lives than the right. To suggest otherwise is an outright falsehood.

 

[pudly]

Need to get some "guys" to join women's sports in high school, college, the WNBA, etc. Title IX enforcement really should work to enable those rights as well.

 

[jd4320t]

Gender dysphoria is no longer the issue. It's gender choice now. I can wake up tomorrow and choose to be a woman and nothing can stop me. This will not go away. It won't be cheap. It opens up a whole new door for people to avoid living a real life.

 

[Lowe0]

i am stipulating everything the left wants. I'm simply asking if a person has "become" the gender they want to be (and you'll say it's not about a want, it's about an "is", and I'll say that's not what I'm talking about) what other things does society need to do in order to treat them as the gender identity they are living.

Then you would treat them the same as all the rest of that gender. What's so difficult about that?

 

[hoosierdoc]

Then you would treat them the same as all the rest of that gender. What's so difficult about that?

it's not difficult, this thread is about looking for other ways to appropriately treat them as their gender. Pudly brings up a good point.

perhaps a poor HS kid could identify as a woman and get a full ride to play women's basketball since he wasn't good enough to make the men's team. That could really open up opportunities for poorer children to attend college for a low cost. Who would possibly be against that? I heard the NCAA wants to use their bully pulpit to ensure transgendered people are not discriminated against.

page 7, there it is

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

 

[Lowe0]

it's not difficult, this thread is about looking for other ways to appropriately treat them as their gender. Pudly brings up a good point.

perhaps a poor HS kid could identify as a woman and get a full ride to play women's basketball since he wasn't good enough to make the men's team. That could really open up opportunities for poorer children to attend college for a low cost. Who would possibly be against that? I heard the NCAA wants to use their bully pulpit to ensure transgendered people are not discriminated against.

If you insist that choice doesn't matter, then why do your scenarios keep starting with someone choosing a gender?

 

[hoosierdoc]

If you insist that choice doesn't matter, then why do your scenarios keep starting with someone choosing a gender?

WHO CARES?! I DON'T CARE IF YOU SAY YOU ARE BORN A CERTAIN WAY OR CHOOSE TO BE. I AM INCLUDING EVERYONE, WHETHER BORN THAT WAY OR CHOOSES. Even as inclusive of everyone I am still wrong

are you saying it's impossible to as a 12yo believe you were born opposite your genetics and then later in life identify with your genetic gender?

if you were born that way, and lived that way, then changed when you were older, when were you wrong?

 

[The Meach]

WHO CARES?! I DON'T CARE IF YOU SAY YOU ARE BORN A CERTAIN WAY OR CHOOSE TO BE. I AM INCLUDING EVERYONE, WHETHER BORN THAT WAY OR CHOOSES. Even as inclusive of everyone I am still wrong

obviously you do. like. a lot.

are you saying it's impossible to as a 12yo believe you were born opposite your genetics and then later in life identify with your genetic gender?

no that's not impossible. and it's that person's difficult path to walk. none of my business really.

(also that's why I would suggest to parents to not to seek gender reassignment surgery for their children. it's an adult decision that will follow them for the rest of their life. but to each their own)

 

[Tombs]

Gender dysphoria is no longer the issue. It's gender choice now. I can wake up tomorrow and choose to be a woman and nothing can stop me. This will not go away. It won't be cheap. It opens up a whole new door for people to avoid living a real life.

Oh but gender is just a social construct, it's all in your head and none of it really exists! At least according to feminists.

While I find glorifying a crippling mental disorder, where one is unhappy with one's self, to be a nearly-inhuman thing to do, those trans folks hilariously deconstruct feminism in a big hurry.

I personally identify as a nearly extinct species, uncle sam, you need to steal this property from the banks and give it to me!