Life Begins At Conception

[ljk]

Yes sir.

that's a tree.

 

[Woobie]

that's a tree.

You're really bad at trying to get a free cheeseburger.

 

[ljk]

Trees are living things, too. Plants Lives Matter.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Trees are living things, too. Plants Lives Matter.

No one disputes weather a tree is alive or not. For some reason some just can't apply the same to humans.


also, why are you still around here? Go find another group to annoy, we're tired

(crosses fingers for a snarky animated gif)

 

[ljk]

Ok, I thought you enjoyed it.

 

[singlesix]

Moving on.

What do you think would have to happen, as far as discoveries in science go, to convince one side or the other to change their views?

Or is this one of those topics, much like climate change, wherein you have a side... and no amount of evidence will ever change opinions?

If people view it as a moral issue than science will not change people's view.

 

[eldirector]

Moving on.

What do you think would have to happen, as far as discoveries in science go, to convince one side or the other to change their views?

Or is this one of those topics, much like climate change, wherein you have a side... and no amount of evidence will ever change opinions?

One side or the other eventually dies. With any luck, the next generation is a bit more educated.

Most great scientists died before their discoveries were recognized and (mostly) universally accepted.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Great book. I recommend it all the time

#19 on Time's list of the 100 most influential books in 2011.

I did not know it was published so long ago, 1936. although an up-dated edition was published in 1981.

 

[indiucky]

Of course, this is just from a Christian perspective. No real idea how others might feel on the topic.

Annie Lennox of the Eurythmics agrees....

[video=youtube;0-Q3cp3cp88]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Q3cp3cp88[/video]

 

[seedubs1]

Correct. That is science.

The question is.....when does consciousness begin? At the development of the first brain cell? When the brain has a certain number of cells? Is abortion before human consciousness an issue, or is it somehow worse than ending any other type of life? I don't know the answer to this stuff, just stuff to ponder.

Nothing will convince either side. Two cells come together as one and have metabolism, copy itself and grow. That is the definition of life.

 

[eldirector]

Correct. That is science.

The question is.....when does consciousness begin? At the development of the first brain cell? When the brain has a certain number of cells? Is abortion before human consciousness an issue, or is it somehow worse than ending any other type of life? I don't know the answer to this stuff, just stuff to ponder.

Measurable brain activity is at 6 weeks. First reflexes in about 16 weeks. At 18 weeks, voluntary movements start. By 28 weeks, there is a "startle response" to noise, and the brain now has wake and sleep (including REM and dream patterns) cycles. The cerebral cortex (memory and conscious thought) doesn't really start showing much activity until AFTER birth, and continues to grow and develop for several years.

Not an answer to the question, but more information to ponder.

 

[T.Lex]

Interesting twist to this thread.
Scientists smash record for human embryos grown in the lab in revolutionary breakthrough | Science | News | The Independent

 

[eldirector]

Beginning of that particular human's life aside.

There are so many kids in need a family already. It seems a shame to spend so much $$$ on growing a bunch more in a lab.

 

[T.Lex]

Part of the goal (I hope) is that the latter will eventually help the former.

Kinda odd, though, that there's an arbitrary, legal 2-week time limit on growth....

 

[eldirector]

Not really arbitrary. After about 14 days, the embryo is no longer just a clump of cells. Real differentiation has started. This is also the time when implantation would occur. If the intention is to implant the embryo, than 14 days makes sense. The only reason to keep the embryo longer than that is to grow it in vitro.

 

[Dyerbill]

Hey, where have we heard this before?

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

When G-d said let there be light...I threw the switch....yes I am old...

 

[jkaetz]

Interesting twist to this thread.
Scientists smash record for human embryos grown in the lab in revolutionary breakthrough | Science | News | The Independent

The matrix is coming...

I do often wonder how long it will take for us to figure out how to simply grow a human from cells. The debate we're currently having in this thread would be small potatoes in comparison.

 

[indiucky]

When G-d said let there be light...I threw the switch....yes I am old...

When God talks I listen...I would have flipped that switch as well...

 

[seedubs1]

Plus, then we can bring back extinct species.

The matrix is coming...

I do often wonder how long it will take for us to figure out how to simply grow a human from cells. The debate we're currently having in this thread would be small potatoes in comparison.

 

[searpinski]

Interesting. I wasn't aware that light indicated life. I guess I'm not so silly talking to my surefire.