LEO Prosecuted for Bean Bag Shot (Cook Co., IL)

[Kirk Freeman]

Park Forest police officer who used a beanbag round on a WWII veteran in a nursing home will face Crim Reck charges in Cook County, Illinois.

I guess bean bags aren't so "non-lethal", huh?

Park Forest officer charged in bean-bag gun death of 95-year-old - Chicago Sun-Times

 

[Destro]

Park Forest police officer who used a beanbag round on a WWII veteran in a nursing home will face Crim Reck charges in Cook County, Illinois.

I guess bean bags aren't so "non-lethal", huh?

Park Forest officer charged in bean-bag gun death of 95-year-old - Chicago Sun-Times

not excusing the actions, but law enforcement should never have been involved in this situation.

 

[printcraft]

We just need to change the name from "less-lethal" to "possibly survivable".

 

[IndyGal65]

5 bean bag rounds from 6 to 8 feet away, when optimal shooting distance was listed at 15 feet? Nice shootin' Barney.

 

[BogWalker]

I doubt a 95 year old nursing home patient could have presented much of a deadly threat, even with a knife. Surely not enough of a threat to warrant five bean bag rounds.

Close the door and let him fume. He'll calm down eventually.

 

[Denny347]

Bean bag rounds are the force equivalent to getting hit with a major league fast ball. They can be VERY lethal if shot placement is not proper. A hit over the heart can stop it. A hit to the head can kill as well. For "safe" effect the shot placement should be to the belly or the pelvis. I haven't read the article, just commenting on the application of bean bag rounds. I used to be certified in them.

 

[rambone]

Would you prosecute the cop, Kirk?

 

[Jack Burton]

John Kass of the Chicago Trib for many months lead the way on this not disappearing down the rabbit hole

Park Forest officer charged in 95-year-old's death - chicagotribune.com

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Would you prosecute the cop, Kirk?

Got me. Hard to make the call from just media reports.

We shall see what happens. Reck is a tough nut for the prosecution. Only Attempt Murder is harder.

 

[Denny347]

Got me. Hard to make the call from just media reports.

We shall see what happens. Reck is a tough nut for the prosecution. Only Attempt Murder is harder.

Cop lover!!!!!!!

 

[public servant]

Cop lover!!!!!!!

The correct term is either "holster sniffer" or "tin licker".

 

[tenring]

Jeez, back in the Corps going through ITR, we were told that using blanks in the Garands we could kill up to 15 feet, and that was the old crimped in piece of card board. Reckless Homicide is the phrase to be used.

 

[BigMatt]

Very sad. There are no winners here.

 

[Denny347]

The correct term is either "holster sniffer" or "tin licker".

We call them "fruit broads".

 

[Kirk Freeman]

*sigh*

 

[Denny347]

*sigh*

We're just mess'n with ya Kirk.

 

[Jack Burton]

Kass has more on the story

Courts come down on Wrana shooter - chicagotribune.com

 

[rambone]

Got me. Hard to make the call from just media reports.

Hard to tell what? Do you hate self-defense all of a sudden?

The perp had a knife. He threatened officers. Refused to surrender.

Seems to have all the ingredients of one of your textbook kills.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Hard to tell what? Do you hate self-defense all of a sudden?

Yes, all criminal cases are hard to tell, by design. You know that Constitutional due process thing that you anarchists hate so much.

Reck is tough as the prosecution has to define the standard and deviation from the standard.

The perp had a knife. He threatened officers. Refused to surrender.

Maybe self-defense comes into play (I doubt it). More likely a defense to the definition of recklessness.

 

[steveh_131]

Yes, all criminal cases are hard to tell, by design.

Why didn't I hear this same reservation when you decided that the other officers who shot a knife-wielding man in the back were defending themselves?