Legit AD on a Holstered SIG 320 on video

[Bluedragon]

Videos like these is why I only look to the P series as "real" Sigs.

 

[DadSmith]

Videos like these is why I only look to the P series as "real" Sigs.

P320 is p series

 

[Bluedragon]

P320 is p series

I meant P series as in their alloy frame da/sa hammer fired guns. I can't recall reading a lot of stories with them having nd's like the 320 series of guns.

 

[Creedmoor]

I meant P series as in their alloy frame da/sa hammer fired guns. I can't recall reading a lot of stories with them having nd's like the 320 series of guns.

Why are you concerned about a supposed problem that NO ONE can reproduce?

 

[92FSTech]

I meant P series as in their alloy frame da/sa hammer fired guns. I can't recall reading a lot of stories with them having nd's like the 320 series of guns.

To be fair, it's going to be a lot harder to have an ND with a DA/SA or DAO P22x than it is with any striker-fired handgun, as the trigger pull is much longer and heavier, and there's an exposed hammer to give you visual and tactile feedback as you holster. Even then, some folks still manage to find a way.

I do share your appreciation for the classic P-Series guns, though. For me, the P320 is a decent tool, but it's just a tool. It does it's job well, but all I really care about is that it works properly and fits my hand. The P22x guns, especially the older folded slide variants, are good tools too, but they're also fine pieces of craftsmanship that I enjoy just for the quality of their construction. I'm satisfied with my P320s, but my "relationship" with them is strictly utilitarian...I'd happily give them up if something better came along. My P22x guns aren't going anywhere.

 

[bwframe]

Just got a Brownells email advertising this SIG P320 FCU. Wonder if it eliminates the P320 holster firing issues?

https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts...gn=resend&utm_content=2023_08_26_Sig-P320-fcu

 

[BrianT]

Haven't watched "Sig Mechanics 320" video yet have you.

A trigger dingus didnt keep Glocks from firing when someone's booger hook, clothing, keys or something else hits it and pushes the trigger back when re-holstering or drawing.
Now has it?
How many discharges has Glock had with the "Pull the Trigger" before pulling the slide off.
Look at the trigger blade failures over the last 30 years.
Sig learned from Glocks failures.


Civilian models of the P320 have two internal safeties, but neither can be controlled by the user. The primary internal safety is designed to catch the striker in the case of a malfunction. A second mechanism prevents the weapon from discharging when its slide is drawn backward.
If one buys the M17 or 18 you also have an external safety.

And they have openly admitted to a competitive shooter that they somehow “failed” in his pistol. Sig is on record admitting these runs have fired despite the striker block. Remember “Glock leg” that was from the old worn out leather duty holsters grabbing the trigger. What’s Sigs excuse? We have all seen video of these pistols firing in a proper retention holster.

Random questions of the day: have you ever handled a Steyr M9? And is my Taurus 24/7 safe to carry now? It has internal safety mechanisms.

 

[Creedmoor]

And they have openly admitted to a competitive shooter that they somehow “failed” in his pistol. Sig is on record admitting these runs have fired despite the striker block. Remember “Glock leg” that was from the old worn out leather duty holsters grabbing the trigger. What’s Sigs excuse? We have all seen video of these pistols firing in a proper retention holster.

Random questions of the day: have you ever handled a Steyr M9? And is my Taurus 24/7 safe to carry now? It has internal safety mechanisms.

Please post where Sig Sauer has "admitted"
Failure with the 320 series pistols after the drop failures, 6-7 years ago.

Glock leg has been caused by many things,
Clothing in holster, keys, improper holster, booger hooks on the trigger and so on my friend.

Yes I have handled a Steyr M9,
The strickers I carry have external safetys that are used when needed.
None of the three 320 M17's I have, have not discharged now with a few thousand rounds through two of them on there own accord.

 

[bwframe]

 

[92FSTech]

I don't have any experience with the X5s, and maybe they're sprung differently, but Ben's gun not going back into battery positively struck me as being kind of weird. I just tried that on my full size, and I can't even force it to do what his is doing. The recoil spring forcefully pushes the slide into battery regardless of what point in its range of travel I release it at. I don't have my other ones handy right now, but I don't remember any of them doing that, either. ???

 

[Creedmoor]

I meant P series as in their alloy frame da/sa hammer fired guns. I can't recall reading a lot of stories with them having nd's like the 320 series of guns.

OK, what about the P250 pistols?

 

[92FSTech]

OK, what about the P250 pistols?

The problem I had with my P250 was light strikes...so exactly the opposite of the purported problem with the P320. With that long DA trigger pull, you'd have to almost try to have an ND with a P250. And with the one I had, there would still be about a 1 in 100 chance it wouldn't go bang anyway!

 

[mcapo]

I don't have any experience with the X5s, and maybe they're sprung differently, but Ben's gun not going back into battery positively struck me as being kind of weird. I just tried that on my full size, and I can't even force it to do what his is doing. The recoil spring forcefully pushes the slide into battery regardless of what point in its range of travel I release it at. I don't have my other ones handy right now, but I don't remember any of them doing that, either. ???

Brand new gun, could be dry, guiding the slide back into battery, maybe tighter than norm fitment...ehh...I didn't see enough to cause concern. Good chance it will cycle just fine under normal operating conditions.

I have fitted aftermarket barrels (not 1911) to the point that it just barely doesn't go into battery....few mags and they are running like a Swiss watch. .....but then again my gunsmithing degree is from OTJU with a secondary degree from Youtube so....

 

[mcapo]

The problem I had with my P250 was light strikes...so exactly the opposite of the purported problem with the P320. With that long DA trigger pull, you'd have to almost try to have an ND with a P250. And with the one I had, there would still be about a 1 in 100 chance it wouldn't go bang anyway!

If someone has logged an ND with a P250 in a holstering or similar situation, I would be impressed!

I continue to believe that P320 NDs are (1) largely made disproportional by the internet and are (2) caused by the lighter trigger pulls interacting with a foreign object. If this was a mechanical fault, SOMEONE would have been able to replicate the issue consistently. They haven't.

Guess we need the P320 versions of a Glock NYC Trigger?

 

[Creedmoor]

The problem I had with my P250 was light strikes...so exactly the opposite of the purported problem with the P320. With that long DA trigger pull, you'd have to almost try to have an ND with a P250. And with the one I had, there would still be about a 1 in 100 chance it wouldn't go bang anyway!

We have two P250 compacts, not something that comes out often at all.
But yes, super smooth l o n g trigger pull.
Did you buy yours new by chance?

 

[92FSTech]

We have two P250 compacts, not something that comes out often at all.
But yes, super smooth l o n g trigger pull.
Did you buy yours new by chance?

No, I bought it used. I thought it might be kinda cool as a DAO version of my P320s, but just didn't love the trigger and it had that light strike issue. I could have put some effort into fixing it, but the mainspring setup is kinda unique on those, and it's discontinued so finding a replacement wasn't going to be easy.

Ultimately I found a 9mm P229 SAS that I like a lot better, and it does everything and more that the P250 would have done for me (except share mags and grip modules with the 320s), so the P250 went away. I traded it back to the same shop that sold it to me, so I didn't feel too bad about it.

 

[Creedmoor]

No, I bought it used. I thought it might be kinda cool as a DAO version of my P320s, but just didn't love the trigger and it had that light strike issue. I could have put some effort into fixing it, but the mainspring setup is kinda unique on those, and it's discontinued so finding a replacement wasn't going to be easy.

Ultimately I found a 9mm P229 SAS that I like a lot better, and it does everything and more that the P250 would have done for me (except share mags and grip modules with the 320s), so the P250 went away. I traded it back to the same shop that sold it to me, so I didn't feel too bad about it.

Ok, I bought one for, at that time my wife to shoot and carry over the ease of having DAO. When I ordered it Sig had just discontinued them and were dumping them and offered a $100.00 off wholesale.
So I ordered myself one as well. Our son now has the other one.

 

[Bluedragon]

OK, what about the P250 pistols?

Hate it and worse than the 320 imo. Yes i've messed with one before. I really only like the classic P series.

 

[Creedmoor]

Hate it and worse than the 320 imo. Yes i've messed with one before. I really only like the classic P series.

Thats a great synopsis, with that, I'm going to go and sell the three P320's and the two P250s that I have that have never been a problem.
Thanks

 

[DRob]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I have three P320s and none of them have fired without the trigger being pulled. Two of them have the flat X trigger (X compact and a full size X). The other is a standard trigger compact. The X compact is my EDC. I wonder if it's the Legion models which are having these issues. My opinion is the Legion trigger is too light for a carry gun.