Disclaimer:
I am not looking for a public stoning, rather I would like to raise awareness to the community about a local thief and the criminal business he operates out of. This person lives in your backyard and the backyard of others. I would rather not see anyone fall victim to the same circumstance myself and many others are now facing.
I apologize for originally disobeying the rules and my user name will be changed after 6 p.m. tonight in accordance with this forum's policies and rules.
Let me give you some background on where I/we am/are today and where this story begins.
If you allow me, I will attempt to summarize a year+ worth of news on this current, open debacle.
Around November 2008, an individual named whose alias on this site is, CUE7467 started a Doublestar stripped lower group buy on internet forum, 1919a4.com: Beltfed Fun for 1919 Enthusiasts - 1919a4.com Portal. If you have an hour plus, you can view the mess here (Lower Group Buy-Helping Chris *** Thread Is Open - 1919a4 forums). The first few tacks threads are all related to this snafu.
Due to the sheer size of original participants he was able to negotiate a price with Doublestar that was fairly aggressive. I don't recall the exact amount per each lower, but it was quite competitive compared to retail. After Obama was elected, Doublestar lowers and lowers in general doubled in price so I was quite happy with my decision to participate in the group buy. His affiliated FFL, B&D Guns, is well-known in Noblesville, Indiana. His father had great rapport in the gunsmith community, and they all seemed like straight arrows.
Cue was very upfront, transparent, and responsive. He posted his cell phone number, local mailing address and all other information needed to contact him as he initiated this group buy. After I made the decision he was legit, I and many others began to send him money to participate in the group buy. I sent a total of just under $700 in two checks, one endorsed by B&D Guns, the other by a relation to CUE7467.
After Obama was elected the backlog for most manufacturers was spanned out to 6+ months. I was fine with that since it was clearly communicated by Chris. Chris then reopened the group buy to allow for more participants. He soon received too many orders and his records went into disarray. He tried to reconcile his monies and participants and attempted to post a list of participants and money received for our public review. It was clear he was way over his head. People began to back out and requested refunds as it was apparent this was turning into a **** mess and was severely unorganized. He opened a 30 day refund window, and began sending refunds to those who requested it. I requested a refund on February 2009. He acknowledged my request and personally promised my refund was "in the mail", I waited a week, another week, and another week. When I inquired, he told me he forgot to put it in the mail, and he assured me it was going out again. More weeks passed and my refund was not received. Others were in the same boat and patiently waited. We gave the guy a benefit of the doubt and offered him help and some even offered extra money to help in his efforts.
Fast forward to October of 2009 and a group of us decided to pursue legal action to retrieve our monies after it was clear Chris did not have the capability to identify who needed to be repaid and it was unclear if the funds were even available to be repaid. Some participants did some background research on the family and it turned out one of the Penley's house was near foreclosure. That raised another red flag for us. He also publicly admitted to not knowing where the funds were held. He mentioned not having access to them since they were in a "business CD." More lies, deception, and misdirection.
We formally filed a complaint with the State Attorney General of Indiana. The State of Indiana Attorney Deputy, filed a lawsuit naming myself and many others as plaintiffs against CUE7467, and B&D Guns. I can provide the lawsuit for review after I remove personal addresses of other plaintiffs. The lawsuit was ruled in our favor and a consent judgment was agreed upon with the State of Indiana and the Penleys. The Penley’s later breached the consent and repayment was forwarded to the Collections Division. He and now his family is on the line for restitution of over $28,000 and in my opinion should be formally charged with interstate commerce fraud. This debacle has been going since early 2009 and I want to make you aware of these thieves that operate in your community.
Do not extend patronage to this thief or his affiliated business unless you wish to support criminal behavior. Please spread the word to your friends, shooters, etc. The community deserves to be aware of this situation.
I am not looking for a public stoning, rather I would like to raise awareness to the community about a local thief and the criminal business he operates out of. This person lives in your backyard and the backyard of others. I would rather not see anyone fall victim to the same circumstance myself and many others are now facing.
I apologize for originally disobeying the rules and my user name will be changed after 6 p.m. tonight in accordance with this forum's policies and rules.
Let me give you some background on where I/we am/are today and where this story begins.
If you allow me, I will attempt to summarize a year+ worth of news on this current, open debacle.
Around November 2008, an individual named whose alias on this site is, CUE7467 started a Doublestar stripped lower group buy on internet forum, 1919a4.com: Beltfed Fun for 1919 Enthusiasts - 1919a4.com Portal. If you have an hour plus, you can view the mess here (Lower Group Buy-Helping Chris *** Thread Is Open - 1919a4 forums). The first few tacks threads are all related to this snafu.
Due to the sheer size of original participants he was able to negotiate a price with Doublestar that was fairly aggressive. I don't recall the exact amount per each lower, but it was quite competitive compared to retail. After Obama was elected, Doublestar lowers and lowers in general doubled in price so I was quite happy with my decision to participate in the group buy. His affiliated FFL, B&D Guns, is well-known in Noblesville, Indiana. His father had great rapport in the gunsmith community, and they all seemed like straight arrows.
Cue was very upfront, transparent, and responsive. He posted his cell phone number, local mailing address and all other information needed to contact him as he initiated this group buy. After I made the decision he was legit, I and many others began to send him money to participate in the group buy. I sent a total of just under $700 in two checks, one endorsed by B&D Guns, the other by a relation to CUE7467.
After Obama was elected the backlog for most manufacturers was spanned out to 6+ months. I was fine with that since it was clearly communicated by Chris. Chris then reopened the group buy to allow for more participants. He soon received too many orders and his records went into disarray. He tried to reconcile his monies and participants and attempted to post a list of participants and money received for our public review. It was clear he was way over his head. People began to back out and requested refunds as it was apparent this was turning into a **** mess and was severely unorganized. He opened a 30 day refund window, and began sending refunds to those who requested it. I requested a refund on February 2009. He acknowledged my request and personally promised my refund was "in the mail", I waited a week, another week, and another week. When I inquired, he told me he forgot to put it in the mail, and he assured me it was going out again. More weeks passed and my refund was not received. Others were in the same boat and patiently waited. We gave the guy a benefit of the doubt and offered him help and some even offered extra money to help in his efforts.
Fast forward to October of 2009 and a group of us decided to pursue legal action to retrieve our monies after it was clear Chris did not have the capability to identify who needed to be repaid and it was unclear if the funds were even available to be repaid. Some participants did some background research on the family and it turned out one of the Penley's house was near foreclosure. That raised another red flag for us. He also publicly admitted to not knowing where the funds were held. He mentioned not having access to them since they were in a "business CD." More lies, deception, and misdirection.
We formally filed a complaint with the State Attorney General of Indiana. The State of Indiana Attorney Deputy, filed a lawsuit naming myself and many others as plaintiffs against CUE7467, and B&D Guns. I can provide the lawsuit for review after I remove personal addresses of other plaintiffs. The lawsuit was ruled in our favor and a consent judgment was agreed upon with the State of Indiana and the Penleys. The Penley’s later breached the consent and repayment was forwarded to the Collections Division. He and now his family is on the line for restitution of over $28,000 and in my opinion should be formally charged with interstate commerce fraud. This debacle has been going since early 2009 and I want to make you aware of these thieves that operate in your community.
Do not extend patronage to this thief or his affiliated business unless you wish to support criminal behavior. Please spread the word to your friends, shooters, etc. The community deserves to be aware of this situation.
