LA City Council votes to raise minimum wage to $15

[BehindBlueI's]

Personally, I'm a fan of freedom for both the employer and employee. The market will set appropriate wages.

So, are you against the Bar of Indiana? If you believe in the freedom of employers and employees then if I decide I'm a lawyer or you wish to hire me as one, I should be able to declare myself a lawyer and to work as one without a governing body, registration fees, being appointed by a court, etc. The free market also includes free entry and exit, not protectionism of those in the occupation. If I'm not a good lawyer, the market will weed me out, right? That is how the free market works, after all.

 

[rambone]

So, are you against the Bar of Indiana? If you believe in the freedom of employers and employees then if I decide I'm a lawyer or you wish to hire me as one, I should be able to declare myself a lawyer and to work as one without a governing body, registration fees, being appointed by a court, etc. The free market also includes free entry and exit, not protectionism of those in the occupation. If I'm not a good lawyer, the market will weed me out, right? That is how the free market works, after all.

100% emphatically agree. People should be allowed to represent themselves in court or hire a clown to do the job. If people want professional representation, they should check out the potential lawyer's degrees, history, and reputation. Its not up to the government to decide.

 

[D-Ric902]

The man that represents himself in court, has an idiot for a lawyer.

 

[HoughMade]

So, are you against the Bar of Indiana? If you believe in the freedom of employers and employees then if I decide I'm a lawyer or you wish to hire me as one, I should be able to declare myself a lawyer and to work as one without a governing body, registration fees, being appointed by a court, etc. The free market also includes free entry and exit, not protectionism of those in the occupation. If I'm not a good lawyer, the market will weed me out, right? That is how the free market works, after all.

Go for it.

I would add that my experience with pro-se litigants leads me to believe that the market would, indeed, weed out the unqualified quickly.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Go for it.

I would add that my experience with pro-se litigants leads me to believe that the market would, indeed, weed out the unqualified quickly.

Then why does the bar exist?

 

[rambone]

Then why does the bar exist?

Control. Its a corrupt tool to limit competition and monopolize the legal industry. Government licensure is in no way consistent with free markets.

 

[MisterChester]

Go for it.

I would add that my experience with pro-se litigants leads me to believe that the market would, indeed, weed out the unqualified quickly.

What's to stop repeat offenders?

 

[Rhoadmar]

What's to stop repeat offenders?

The few times I needed a lawyer I sought recommendations from people I trusted.
In this age of social media the weeds would be easy to spot and to avoid.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

What's to stop repeat offenders?

Well, there is the little fact is illegal to practice law without being a lawyer, and you can't be a lawyer just by saying you are a lawyer. When he says "go for it" you can't actually go for it.

State Ex Rel. Ind. State Bar Assn. v. Osborne :: 1961 :: Supreme Court of Indiana Decisions :: Indiana Case Law :: Indiana Law :: U.S. Law :: Justia

So, no freedom for that employee to draft wills any longer due to an injunction, not the "free market".

 

[M1 carbine dad]

This thing went from fry cook pay to lawyer pay in record time!

 

[cobber]

So, are you against the Bar of Indiana? If you believe in the freedom of employers and employees then if I decide I'm a lawyer or you wish to hire me as one, I should be able to declare myself a lawyer and to work as one without a governing body, registration fees, being appointed by a court, etc. The free market also includes free entry and exit, not protectionism of those in the occupation. If I'm not a good lawyer, the market will weed me out, right? That is how the free market works, after all.

Control. Its a corrupt tool to limit competition and monopolize the legal industry. Government licensure is in no way consistent with free markets.

Same with doctors? Sure, the market will weed out the incompetent. The real money will be in undertaking, however.

 

[M1 carbine dad]

Good thing we have Legal Zoom for wills now. Now I CAN be my own laywer!

 

[rambone]

What's to stop repeat offenders?

Wise consumers will look at the lawyer's degrees and other marks of reputation. Voluntary organizations could review attorneys' credentials and give their stamp of confidence; this could be used as a marketing tool to draw in customers. Anyone who hires a lawyer with no degrees or credentials will get the kind of representation they paid for.

This could be applied to all industries. Government licenses can and should be abolished.

 

[rambone]

Same with doctors? Sure, the market will weed out the incompetent. The real money will be in undertaking, however.

100% yes. I should be able to seek the treatments I want, from the providers I choose. That's consistent with free markets and free choice.

Wise consumers will check the credentials and reputation of their chosen doctor. Hospitals will stake their business reputation on hiring competent staff.

 

[D-Ric902]

Well, there is the little fact is illegal to practice law without being a lawyer, and you can't be a lawyer just by saying you are a lawyer. When he says "go for it" you can't actually go for it.

State Ex Rel. Ind. State Bar Assn. v. Osborne :: 1961 :: Supreme Court of Indiana Decisions :: Indiana Case Law :: Indiana Law :: U.S. Law :: Justia

So, no freedom for that employee to draft wills any longer due to an injunction, not the "free market".

they are denying my FREEDOM

 

[MisterChester]

Wise consumers will look at the lawyer's degrees and other marks of reputation. Voluntary organizations could review attorneys' credentials and give their stamp of confidence; this could be used as a marketing tool to draw in customers. Anyone who hires a lawyer with no degrees or credentials will get the kind of representation they paid for.

This could be applied to all industries. Government licenses can and should be abolished.

I can't help but see that fraud would be difficult to control.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

Once again, my fear is they'll run more business out of that state along with many of the people that vote for the people that enact this crap....and they'll infect other states with their silliness.

Be nice GFGT - My business and I left the state 11 years ago. And I hope that I haven't infected Salem with any "silliness".

 

[BehindBlueI's]

This thing went from fry cook pay to lawyer pay in record time!

I just like the irony of someone in one of the most restricted occupations for free entry preaching free market.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

I just like the irony of someone in one of the most restricted occupations for free entry preaching free market.

In fairness - Hough Made didn't make the rules in his market. He is as free as the rest of us to disagree with them... but he has to obey them.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

100% yes. I should be able to seek the treatments I want, from the providers I choose. That's consistent with free markets and free choice.

Wise consumers will check the credentials and reputation of their chosen doctor. Hospitals will stake their business reputation on hiring competent staff.

I agree with Rambone on this - government licensure is a means of restricting trade and is based on the premise that I am too dumb as a consumer to figure out who the quacks are....