Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings

[indiucky]

Dude. True story. Carmel's wastewater treatment facility started converting its... uh... resource... into fertilizer years ago.

I guess it is really good ****.

Carmel Included in National League of Cities "Best Practices" | City of Carmel

"Karma, karma, karma, karma Carmelian...You come and go...In your Volvo......
Composting would be easy if your turds were like my dreams
brown, black and green, brown black and green...."

 

[Fargo]

Uh oh


The t messages coming out that Kavanaugh was trying to get ahead of the New Yorker article

I may be crazy, but I would hope that the New Yorker would have at least given him an opportunity to respond prior to publishing. Saying that he became aware of the allegations through the New Yorker article is not the same thing as saying he read about them when they were published.

Does anyone have a link to the transcript of the question and answer he gave?

 

[flightsimmer]

Quote: Ford may be well enough educated to be able to fake a hypnosis session, if that's even possible. Unquote.

Well that's kind-of what I've been wondering since I discovered her past work and education.

I realize that this may well be the most talked about subject in the country as well it should be, this is not just a football game or anything like it but I have come to believe that that's the way the social (communist) democrats see this.

Trump is tearing down their new social order of things and they are desperate to stop him.

Personally, I believe God himself intervened in our last election and now we have to follow thru and stand for what is right in the eyes of God.

 

[HoughMade]

I don’t see the violent rhetoric (and actions) like “chop off their dicks and feed it to them” concerning judges selected for the Supreme Court coming from the right in this country.

Maybe I missed it when Kagan and Sotomayor were nominated and seated... but I don’t believe so. (dicks not withstanding)

There is a difference, I know you see it.

I think there's a difference....though if you haven't seen similarly violent rhetoric on INGO aimed at politicians, you aren't looking. Sure we know it's just talk- so is their's.

I don't think most liberals are evil. I think they are wrong. Some are evil and some conservatives are too. I am not drawing an equivalence of viewpoints. No, liberal to leftist thinking, I believe, is largely harmful economically, harmful in terms of freedom and in terms of what is good for the individual. However, I believe that most liberals think their beliefs are helpful. As I said before, this does not make them evil. It's makes them wrong.

When we decide they are evil or they decide we are evil, getting louder and louder and harsher and harsher are to be expected. Whenever the rhetoric tips over into the mean-spirited and violent speech, I think that is wrong as well. Does the left do that more often? It sure seems like it since late 2016, but in the 8 years before that? I'm probably guilty of some of that myself (though I draw a distinction between mean and violent and sarcastic or satirical).

Tipping over into meanness and violent talk is how we got to the point where everyone is screaming at each other. That, the relative anonymity of the intervent, the ability to tune your information supply to only show your own perspective and the most outrageous of the other side, etc., etc., etc.

I'm tired of it. I am perfectly content not being angry. I'll discuss issues and beliefs and takes on the news of the day, but I am sincerely trying to not let it eat at me and make me a mean person.

 

[JettaKnight]

I wonder, since she cannot recall vital details about this alleged attack maybe she should volunteer to submit to hypnosis so that we can possibly clear up once and for all who is not telling the truth about this incident?

Perhaps this might clear up why humans can remember one thing so vividly, yet other seemly important & connected details are lost in a fog.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/28/652474916/memory-and-trauma

 

[JettaKnight]

Personally, I believe God himself intervened in our last election and now we have to follow thru and stand for what is right in the eyes of God.

Personally, I believe that God is behind every election.


God placed Saul as king, but not everything he did was righteous.

 

[Fargo]

Ok, here appears to be the transcript. It appears he said he was unaware of the specific allegation until the article was published, but had heard that she was shopping an accusation around to mutual friends prior to that. There is no way in hell you make perjury out of this.

Kavanaugh Knew About Ramirez Allegation Earlier Than He Says

 

[HoughMade]

Hypnosis is less reliable than polygraphs and the more research that is done, the more polygraphs are approaching junk-science status. They are already generally agreed to be unreliable.

At present, short of future tech (functional MRI has shown some level of promise) there is no technological means to determine truth versus lie.

This is why the presumption of innocence, or, put another way, that the person making the accusation has the burden to convince you, is so important.

Stop looking for magic spells and potions to tell you who to believe look at all the OBJECTIVE evidence you can and decide for yourself....of course, in the end, it really doesn't matter what you think, so don't let it keep you up at night. I'll go out further on a limb and say that until Judge Kavanaugh testified under oath denying the accusations, whether they were true or not was not an issue for me in confirmation.

 

[HoughMade]

Ok, here appears to be the transcript. It appears he said he was unaware of the specific allegation until the article was published, but had heard that she was shopping an accusation around to mutual friends prior to that. There is no way in hell you make perjury out of this.

Kavanaugh Knew About Ramirez Allegation Earlier Than He Says

It's pretty hard to know about the specific details when she had not settled on all of the details yet.

 

[Fargo]

It's pretty hard to know about the specific details when she had not settled on all of the details yet.

That, and if she was shopping the allegation in July, the timing of her deciding what happened is fascinating.

Pretty much everything about this depresses me.

After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dormitory party, thrust his penis in her face, and caused her to touch it without her consent as she pushed him away.

 

[2A_Tom]

Does that go both directions?

I mean, how often are Dems labelled as "evil" or the functional equivalent ("Demoncrats," treasonous, etc.) around here?

I see your point, whereas republicans say they are for the Constitution and have nominated originalist judges, the left only says that they desire to fundamentally change America.

Whereas Ginsberg got 96Y/3N
Sotomayor 68Y/31N
Kagen 63Y/37N
Kavanaugh 51Y/50N

 

[HoughMade]

I see your point, whereas republicans say they are for the Constitution and have nominated originalist judges, the left only says that they desire to fundamentally change America.

Whereas Ginsberg got 96Y/3N
Sotomayor 68Y/31N
Kagen 63Y/37N
Kavanaugh 51Y/50N

Liberal judges would say they want to uphold the Constitution as well. Believe it or not, not everyone agrees on what that means.

 

[Fargo]

I see your point, whereas republicans say they are for the Constitution and have nominated originalist judges, the left only says that they desire to fundamentally change America.

Whereas Ginsberg got 96Y/3N
Sotomayor 68Y/31N
Kagen 63Y/37N
Kavanaugh 51Y/50N

Souter, O'Conner, Stevens, Kennedy were all Repub noms who were far from originalist.

Hell, Earl Warren and William Brennen were probably among the two most anti-originalist justices in history, and they were both Repub noms.

 

[Ziggidy]

Looks like another GREAT day on INGO!

 

[indiucky]

 

[HoughMade]

Souter, O'Conner, Stevens, Kennedy were all Repub noms who were far from originalist.

Hell, Earl Warren and William Brennen were probably among the two most anti-originalist justices in history, and they were both Repub noms.

Left or right, it's pretty tempting for a justice to look around, think "hey, all I have to do is get 4 other failed lawyers to agree with me, and I can get this done."

 

[Fargo]

Left or right, it's pretty tempting for a justice to look around, think "hey, all I have to do is get 4 other failed lawyers to agree with me, and I can get this done."

I actually laughed out loud at that one.

According to Roberts Bork, John Paul Stevens was the epitome of judicial humility and disciplined following of the law, right up until he was confirmed.

 

[2A_Tom]

I think there's a difference....though if you haven't seen similarly violent rhetoric on INGO aimed at politicians, you aren't looking. Sure we know it's just talk- so is their's.

I don't think most liberals are evil. I think they are wrong. Some are evil and some conservatives are too. I am not drawing an equivalence of viewpoints. No, liberal to leftist thinking, I believe, is largely harmful economically, harmful in terms of freedom and in terms of what is good for the individual. However, I believe that most liberals think their beliefs are helpful. As I said before, this does not make them evil. It's makes them wrong.

When we decide they are evil or they decide we are evil, getting louder and louder and harsher and harsher are to be expected. Whenever the rhetoric tips over into the mean-spirited and violent speech, I think that is wrong as well. Does the left do that more often? It sure seems like it since late 2016, but in the 8 years before that? I'm probably guilty of some of that myself (though I draw a distinction between mean and violent and sarcastic or satirical).

Tipping over into meanness and violent talk is how we got to the point where everyone is screaming at each other. That, the relative anonymity of the intervent, the ability to tune your information supply to only show your own perspective and the most outrageous of the other side, etc., etc., etc.

I'm tired of it. I am perfectly content not being angry. I'll discuss issues and beliefs and takes on the news of the day, but I am sincerely trying to not let it eat at me and make me a mean person.

I find it disheartening that that statement is understood the way it is meant. Liberalism is actually no threat to freedom, however progressiveism, communism, socialism and a lot of other anti-liberal anti-American isms are.

 

[HoughMade]

I find it disheartening that that statement is understood the way it is meant. Liberalism is actually no threat to freedom, however progressiveism, communism, socialism and a lot of other anti-liberal anti-American isms are.

I agree- classical liberalism is a wonderful thing. I apologize for continuing the bastardization of the language, but I think it's pretty clear what I meant.

 

[T.Lex]

I don’t see the violent rhetoric (and actions) like “chop off their dicks and feed it to them” concerning judges selected for the Supreme Court coming from the right in this country.

Maybe I missed it when Kagan and Sotomayor were nominated and seated... but I don’t believe so. (dicks not withstanding)

There is a difference, I know you see it.

If you go back, ghuns appeared to be making the point, literally, that once your opponent is labelled as "evil" then any response is fair game.

I believe that to be true. I also believe that the labelling part is a frequent component of INGO, and many MANY other places.

Also, I'm pretty sure you know that is true, too. But, it is more funner to change the topic.