Twangbanger
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Justified or Something Else
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If he calls time out first. And no tap backs.
If you say so.
If you say so.Welp, there it is. The dumbest thing I'll probably read all day. Maybe all week, but it's Monday, so who knows?
AndreusMaximus
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Dang it, I was so sure BigRed's guess was right! A cannabis dispensary? Never woulda thought it!
I wish I could say that.Welp, there it is. The dumbest thing I'll probably read all day. Maybe all week, but it's Monday, so who knows?
As to this case, in the just the OP video, I would lean towards justified as to the initial shots...
Without some human factors analysis, I can't say a shot in the back is unjustified the moment the trigger is pulled.
HOWEVER, without context of how the altercation started, I can't take a firm position. This is the inherent issue with video evidence. It is not uncommon in the least for whoever releases the video to only show what most supports the conclusion they want people to reach.
Anyhoo, it's clear that they had not yet partaken as there is way too much aggression for persons who are nicely toasted.
Thank you for your concern - I'll be fine. Good day sir.Don't bump your head.
Twangbanger
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Remember the video of the two guys squaring off on the front porch, and the big guy laying face down in the dirt to wheeze out his last gasps while his wife yaps out the car window at the guy who just shot him?Welp, there it is. The dumbest thing I'll probably read all day. Maybe all week, but it's Monday, so who knows?
Once again, kinda missing things before the video starts
It's not that "I" say so. It has been proven that shooting someone in the back DOES NOT necessarily mean a bad shoot. It's a common TV myth that seems to have bled into real life.
Force Science Validates Legacy Research Findings – Part II
How fast can someone point, shoot, and run? Force Science and researchers from Rocky Mountain University, Utah, continued to investigate this critical question.
www.forcescience.com
ThisIt's not that "I" say so. It has been proven that shooting someone in the back DOES NOT necessarily mean a bad shoot. It's a common TV myth that seems to have bled into real life.
Force Science Validates Legacy Research Findings – Part II
How fast can someone point, shoot, and run? Force Science and researchers from Rocky Mountain University, Utah, continued to investigate this critical question.
It's not about where you shoot someone. It's about why you shot them.
I went to the academy 5 years after Garner vs Tennessee. We were kind of hesitant to shoot someone that wasn’t facing us then.It's not that "I" say so. It has been proven that shooting someone in the back DOES NOT necessarily mean a bad shoot. It's a common TV myth that seems to have bled into real life.
Force Science Validates Legacy Research Findings – Part II
How fast can someone point, shoot, and run? Force Science and researchers from Rocky Mountain University, Utah, continued to investigate this critical question.
A few years later, went to serve a warrant on a murder suspect, over on west Morris, around Rhodius Park. He bailed out a second floor window and got away, Briefly.
After the perimeter was released, an IPD guy found him. He was shot when he attempted to flee.
It was a good shoot. 12 hours earlier he stabbed a girl to death, 30 plus times, and had made several threats to others. Allowing him to escape was a serious bodily threat to other people.
Shot in the back, and was ruled a good shoot in Marion county.
There are no hard and fast rules people. Circumstances matter.
There can be several scenarios where a shot in the back is justified. There have been cases where peeps continued firing while running away, a shooter that shot anything up that is fleeing and still a ranger with a firearm the there is the OODA loop as well.
It’s not uncommon for even a shooting that starts face to face to have the perp get a couple hits in the back. A human body can turn to flee in the fight or flight mode pretty quick. One or three hits can be explained away under that 8 probably can not! That has been proven even in liberal LA county with an LEO
So that whole TN Gardner thing was a simple fleeing felon not someone that was actively engaging and still a threat.
As far as this case and what I have actually seen in court and updates from FLETC when I was active the couple shots when he were going could “could” possible be explained away.
If he wasn’t the initial aggressor and as it looked was simply defending.
Going hands on back at the dude and then plan B (in this case a gun) when starting to loose (and getting smashed against a fixed object we aren’t talking about a simple black eye or tooth knocked out) is no different than what the use of force continuums have shown and wether Officer or civilian it applied. Only difference is a civilian isnt taking anyone in custody. Like I’ve said before they are just simply trying to break contact and the BG change his mind!
Twangbanger
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"C'mere and take your beating like a man"...bam.
While there may be some instances where a shot to the back is justified (assailant is running to better cover, a loaded firearm, another victim, etc.), this video does not clearly show any of those things. To me it shows an assailant become a victim. I am commenting to this video and not alternate scenarios.
I do know I would not have shot in this instance. I would like to think I would have been able to deescalate and as quickly as possible remove myself from the situation. I also know I won't go online and say anything anyone else says is dumb.
I do know I would not have shot in this instance. I would like to think I would have been able to deescalate and as quickly as possible remove myself from the situation. I also know I won't go online and say anything anyone else says is dumb.
