Judge Scalia RIP

[chipbennett]

Don't they pretty much cover everything with either Interstate Commerce or their power to Tax? They pretty much think there is no limit to what they can control with one or the other.

I'm not asking about the SCOTUS interpretation, which is nothing more than intentional scope creep. I'm asking about the words actually written in the Constitution.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Trick question, eh?

He's floated many a trial-balloon but could find no one in Congress willing to bring gun control to a vote.

So essentially, you're saying he abided by the will of the people, despite his own personal wishes? And then you have those two pieces of legislation that actually expanded gun rights. Doesn't fit in very well with the "he's going to take our guns," hysteria. Has he even been quoted asking for a ban, like the one under Clinton?

 

[chipbennett]

The 14th: equal protection of the law. If a legal definition of marriage discriminates against a subset of couples, then it's not applied equally.

Nothing about marriage laws discriminate. Any man can marry. Any woman can marry. But refer to my second question: as marriage is a religious institution, what in the Constitution enumerates authority for the government to involve itself in marriage, at all?

 

[Kutnupe14]

So, you ignore the vigorous attempts to get legislation enacted from an opposite party as proof that he's not anti-gun? He said himself that his biggest disappointment was losing the gun control battle with congress. Simple question. Are you serious?

I'll ask the question again. Since he has been president, has Obama signed MORE pro-gun or anti-gun legislation?

 

[Birds Away]

I'll ask the question again. Since he has been president, has Obama signed MORE pro-gun or anti-gun legislation?

So, he should get credit for not being allowed to pursue his agenda?

 

[Kutnupe14]

So, he should get credit for not being allowed to pursue his agenda?

I'll ask the question again. Since he has been president, has Obama signed MORE pro-gun or anti-gun legislation?

 

[Kutnupe14]

We can do this all day, until someone decides to take a bitter pill and answer the question (T.Lex, you don't count).

 

[T.Lex]

So essentially, you're saying he abided by the will of the people, despite his own personal wishes?

haha

More like, he couldn't find anyone to carry his water, so was left complain about it. Separation of powers FTW. Now, he did pretty much maximize what he could do with executive orders.

And then you have those two pieces of legislation that actually expanded gun rights. Doesn't fit in very well with the "he's going to take our guns," hysteria. Has he even been quoted asking for a ban, like the one under Clinton?

First - what legislation expanded gun rights? The sunsetting of the AWB was not new legislation.

Second:
Obama Wants to Ban 'Assault Weapons' but Does Not Know What They Are - Hit & Run : Reason.com

In his speech last night, President Obama said the government should "make it harder for people to buy powerful assault weapons like the ones that were used in San Bernardino."

To me, that bespeaks the AWB.

Obama's press secretary:
White House: Reinstating 'Assault' Weapons Ban to Prevent Terrorism is Common Sense - Katie Pavlich

Speaking to reporters from the White House Tuesday, Press Secretary Josh Earnest suggested the 1990s, Clinton era ban on semi-automatic sporting rifles, better known as the assault weapons ban, is common sense and should be reinstated to prevent terrorism and crime in America.

Which does lead to his efforts to introduce the new gun control bill:
Obama Gun Control Plan 2015: White House Ready To Pass Weapons Restrictions Without Congress
Dems introduce bill to ban assault weapons | TheHill
More?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'll ask the question again. Since he has been president, has Obama signed MORE pro-gun or anti-gun legislation?

You can't argue with logic like this. The fact that Obama supported Fast and Furious, signed executive orders to keep guns off the streets, campaigned for various sensible gun laws doesn't matter. The fact the signed a piece or two of legislation that tended to expand rights is all we need for proof Obama is pro-Second Amendment. Who can argue with that?

 

[chipbennett]

I'll ask the question again. Since he has been president, has Obama signed MORE pro-gun or anti-gun legislation?

The original assertion was:

He has tried very hard to undermine the 2A. He has called Republicans terrorists. I'm not sure what's so hard to pinpoint here.

Why are you arbitrarily limiting the discussion to legislation signed into law?

Do not all of these speeches, in which Obama railed against "gun violence" and demanded action, not count as trying very hard to undermine the second amendment?

Attempting to wave the bloody shirts of elementary students while telling America (and the "gun lobby") "shame on you" doesn't count?

<span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">[video=youtube;1liUQ4imjCQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1liUQ4imjCQ[/video]

 

[Kutnupe14]

haha

More like, he couldn't find anyone to carry his water, so was left complain about it. Separation of powers FTW. Now, he did pretty much maximize what he could do with executive orders.


First - what legislation expanded gun rights? The sunsetting of the AWB was not new legislation.

-The bill which allowed people to carry firearms, in their checked luggage, on Amtrak
-The bill which allowed the carrying of loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

 

[Kutnupe14]

You can't argue with logic like this. The fact that Obama supported Fast and Furious, signed executive orders to keep guns off the streets, campaigned for various sensible gun laws doesn't matter. The fact the signed a piece or two of legislation that tended to expand rights is all we need for proof Obama is pro-Second Amendment. Who can argue with that?

I'll ask the question again. Since he has been president, has Obama signed MORE pro-gun or anti-gun legislation?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Want to move the discussion forward, answer the question.

Kut (isn't amazed that answering the question is difficult for some)

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'll ask the question again. Since he has been president, has Obama signed MORE pro-gun or anti-gun legislation?

I'm agreeing with you. He. Is. The. Gun. Owner's. Best. Friend.

 

[printcraft]

ALSO: lets not forget that obama and hitlary said that Australian style confiscation is worth looking at.

He can't do it with his pen and his phone.
If he stacks the court, any more that he has already done, and an individual right is not upheld....
It's then "Constitutional" to begin confiscation, er, uh, gun buy backs just like the Aussies and their shrimp.

 

[Lowe0]

Nothing about marriage laws discriminate. Any man can marry. Any woman can marry. But refer to my second question: as marriage is a religious institution, what in the Constitution enumerates authority for the government to involve itself in marriage, at all?

It shouldn't. I've been vocal in my support of eliminating marriage as a legal concept and replacing it with civil unions for all. But until then, there's no reason to enforce existing law unequally.

And yes, saying that only marriages meeting the religious definition are valid is applying the law unequally. It's like passing a law banning pork, and then saying that it's fair because it applies to everyone, whether their faith forbids pork or not.

 

[chipbennett]

Want to move the discussion forward, answer the question.

Kut (isn't amazed that answering the question is difficult for some)

Want to move the discussion forward, stop moving the goalposts.

 

[Birds Away]

Why are you arbitrarily limiting the discussion to legislation signed into law?

Otherwise, he would have to admit that his hero is, perhaps, the greatest enemy of the 2nd Amendment that has ever held the highest office.


(Kut doesn't let the truth stand in his way)

 

[printcraft]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Speech is next after guns. Shut the **** up, you don't have a voice.
obama and hitlary playing Constitutional jenga with the courts, it's all downhill from here.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'll check back periodically, to see if someone decides to answer the very basic question.

Kut (wonders why the admission of a fact so difficult.... not really, it's Obama, after all)