Judge "Public Defender"

[dice dealer]

I have used the paraklese myself ...Very good stuff

 

[hotfarmboy1]

Yes, the Federal Premium Hangun (000 Buck) is copper plated, 4-pellet. I think it will fair better than the Winchester.
Also, I've BEEN using a custom load from a manufacturer named Paraklese Technologies. VERY similar to the new Federal, but they use a VERY hard alloy instead of copper plating.
BTW- Paraklese is an INDIANA based, Christian run company!

I'm looking forward to hearing the results of your tests. I've still got some of the paraklese stuff myself from when I had my judge. And I'm still hoping to buy another someday.

 

[Disposable Heart]

Looking forward to your tests! If the Federal's velocity is as high as the package says, it could be a deal breaker for me. Do you have a chrono?

 

[cosermann]

An individual over at the High Road chronographed this load out of his 3" Judge at 850 fps and another individual is reporting 850-875 fps (using a 4" bbl). This is about what I'd expect unless Federal has discovered a magic powder. But, we shall see.

Federal's New 000 Buck .410 Load- Does it really reach 1200 fps out of a Judge? - THR

Have fun with the tests!

 

[ace1627]

Neat gun. I bought one for myself. Snub nose is what makes this gun great. I have several for sale if anyone is still looking for one.

 

[Mgderf]

Looking forward to your tests! If the Federal's velocity is as high as the package says, it could be a deal breaker for me. Do you have a chrono?

Unfortunately no chrono. This will be a very primitive test

 

[Marshall Dillon]

Just picked one up yesterday- I think it will make a good car gun for some of the nasty areas I have to drive around in.

 

[dice dealer]

Just picked one up yesterday- I think it will make a good car gun for some of the nasty areas I have to drive around in.

Have you shot it yet ?

 

[theweakerbrother]

The think the whole Judge Series are totally wacked....Seems like a good defense gun.....For a blind man!

A blind man would have a hard time shooting it in .45 Long Colt!

 

[Marshall Dillon]

Have you shot it yet ?

Not yet - hope to the new week or so...

 

[MoparMan]

Just bought the Public Defender today. Hopefully will be able to test it tomorrow.

 

[MoparMan]

Ok finally shot it today. Shot Wincehster .410 Super Speed Xtra 6 shot and Remington .410 Slugger Riffled Slugs.

From 10 yards
Winchester 6 shot- The shot spread the entire target. If this had been a intruder, it would have spread from the waist to head, shoulder to shoulder. Dont think it will be deadly but should make someone think twice about their actions.

From 15 yards
Remington Slugs-Keep all center-mass within a 3" group or less leaving devestating wounds to the target. Until i get the buckshot, this will be the HD round in it.

Haven't been able to find any 45LC and the Federal 000 4 pellet so i wasnt able to try those.

BTW i have a Judge Public Defender.

 

[Mgderf]

I've got about 8 milk jugs, a box of the Federal Premium Handgun
000 buck, and a 4" barreled "Judge" Ultra-lite" waiting for this weekend.
I'll let you know

O.K. I did a VERY rudimentary field test of my Taurus "Judge" 4" barrel "Ultra-Lite" for HD purposes.

I tried two different ammo manufacturers, both in 2-1/2" .410 one in "000 Buck", the other "0000 Ultra-Buck".

First I tested for penetration.
Targets were 4 milk-jugs, filled with water, taped together in a line, with one layer of insulated underwear (long-johns), and one layer of medium weight denim (blue lean leg), taped to the front of the target to simulate a shirt and blue-jean jacket.
From a distance of 7 yards (21'), here are the results,

Paraklese Technologies '0000" Ultra Buck (.375" ball, 75 grain) 3 balls per round. Advertised at 1200fps, and 725FPE
Paraklese passed through three jugs and penetrated the fourth, but did NOT exit. Of three pellets, only one hit the target on first shot, two on the second, and subsequent shots.

Federal Premium .410 HANDGUN "000 Buckshot" 4 pellets (copper-plated) advertised at 1200 fps
Federal Premium passed through ALL FOUR JUGS, and a 1/4" sheet of plywood (Luan)

Next I shot for pattern.

Paraklese= 5 shots- average about 8-10" pattern at 21'

Federal Premium= 5 shots average ONLY 4" at 21' ! All four pellets VERY tightly grouped!
The Federal Premium is, in my opinion, just that. Premium defensive handgun ammunition!
16"+ of penetration, INCLUDING CLOTHING, that's PLENTY proof for me

 

[Disposable Heart]

Now that's pretty cool. I am impressed with the Federal load. Did you recover any of the pellets from the Federal stuff? Were they compressed or deformed in any way?

 

[Mgderf]

Now that's pretty cool. I am impressed with the Federal load. Did you recover any of the pellets from the Federal stuff? Were they compressed or deformed in any way?

Unfortunately no. I couldn't find the Federal pellets. I guess it will take more of a backstop. Next time I'll try 6-8 milk jugs in a row to make SURE I catch one!

I DID recover pellets from the Paraklese, and I was really surprised to see how little they deformed. There was no more than a 3/16" flat spot on opposite sides of the pellet. I'm sure this was from compression in the barrel, as I could NOT find any apparent rifling marks.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Paraklese stuff would be devastating to be shot with.
I just think the Federal is better.

 

[cosermann]

Federal Premium= 5 shots average ONLY 4" at 21' ! All four pellets VERY tightly grouped!

I wonder how Federal accomplishes this kind of pattern out of a short rifled barrel. Seems like magic to me.

Did you recover any wadding? If so, about where was it in terms of distance?

 

[Mgderf]

No I did not recover the wadding, but I didn't look for it either. I was NOT at a range, rather out in a field that had knee high weeds.

I did, however, cut one of the federal rounds apart and found that the pellets are in a sabot sleeve the entire length of the round.
I don't know how they managed this tight a pattern. I was just as amazed as you seem to be.
I would NOT hesitate to trust my life to it, at least in a short range (HD) type situation.

 

[MoparMan]

Thats why i want those Federal Buckshot for the Judge. Nice review.

 

[Delmar]

I wanted a Judge...

...until I figured out I could buy a Hi Point .45 and a good used 20 gauge shot gun both for the price of the Judge.

 

[Whosyer]

No I did not recover the wadding, but I didn't look for it either. I was NOT at a range, rather out in a field that had knee high weeds.

I did, however, cut one of the federal rounds apart and found that the pellets are in a sabot sleeve the entire length of the round.
I don't know how they managed this tight a pattern. I was just as amazed as you seem to be.
I would NOT hesitate to trust my life to it, at least in a short range (HD) type situation.

Thanks for the report. The Federal ammo sounds awesome. Now what am I going to do with the 100+ rounds of Winchester I've been stockpiling?