Is a revolution coming?

[Bill of Rights]

I personally think so but its still a long ways off, we are just in the beginnings if anything. But its not the same revolution our fore fathers encountered. I think people will become fed up with the direction Obama really want to take this country and there will be civil disobedience resulting in an overhaul on the system but no bloodshed. We are too modern to have a "take up arms revolution." There maybe one, but it will be within the realm of the constitution. Revolution is defined as a complete change of the constitution or modification of an existing constitution. Since everything but one part of the constitution can be changed, a modification of the whole document is allowed/legal but could still be viewed as a revolution.

I think/hope that this country will stand up against the far left policies and say "never again will this happen" and solidify by writing in the appropriate provision in our governing document.

To have a bloodshed revolution is pretty dumb when you could just vote all the bastards out in 2, 4, or 6 years. If you have enough people to go to war with the U.S. government, you should have enough people to result in a major change of leadership by voting.


Now if this doesn't happen, shtf could result from the people that are fed up or from other circumstances (whatever those Mayan were referring to), but no one knows what this would entail.

"Too modern"? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. It sounds like you mean that as a society, we have become what some would call "civilized" and what others would call "too soft". As it happens, George Soros and his lapdog Obama have already called for a change to our Constitution to remove some of the essential protections within it and some of the restrictions upon the government. In essence, this would be the revolution, and it would be to replace my United States of America with something I would not recognize and to which I would have no loyalty nor tie. That seems fitting, actually, because it certainly would have no loyalty to me, either.

Our moderators have made it very clear that planning for a shooting war in opposition to the lawfully- (or awfully-) elected government of this country will not be tolerated and such posts will be removed. I support this, primarily because I like INGO and I don't want to see it branded "subversive" nor do I want to see it fall under the scrutiny of alphabet agencies. In addition, I believe that if such planning was to occur, it would be unwise to do so in any kind of public forum where such planning could and would be monitored and used against those who made the plans. As such, I do not make any plans like that nor do I support any plans of that nature.

With that said, speaking hypothetically, I would ask you: if it is "pretty dumb" to have a bloodshed revolution when you can just vote the bastards out in 2, 4, or 6 years, but six months after the most recent election, the bastards want to replace our Constitution and in fact, our entire government in it's present form with a socialist or communist state or even a dictatorship, totally removing even the sham that the free vote has become with the advent of electronic voting machines that give no indication as to what votes were actually recorded, what option would be left to the people who still remember and respect what America is supposed to be about? That is, when the power to vote the bastards out is removed by those self-same bastards, what option have we, the people, to remind them that they are there to serve us, not the other way around?

Lastly, you wrote:

I think/hope that this country will stand up against the far left policies and say "never again will this happen" and solidify by writing in the appropriate provision in our governing document.

Might I remind you that our wise Founders did exactly that. In 1791, they passed, along with the other eight amendments in the document from which I took my screen name, two amendments, one of which defined strictly what the federal government is permitted to do and prohibited to it all powers having to do with anything and everything not specifically listed. The other amendment specified that there are rights appertaining to we, the people, which are not specifically listed. In other words, for us, the Constitution is simply a beginning, a protection for those rights seen as most sacred to our Founders, upon which we could, should, and must build. It was written to empower and to free us. Conversely, for our governmental servants, the Constitution was written to be a straitjacket, confining and restricting it severely to keep the power that they knew it could and would, unfettered, someday wield against the people it was supposed to serve.

Welcome to "someday".

Blessings,
B

 

[rhino]

And along those lines, if we can't even get more people to actually vote, why would we expect them to be willing to fight and die? The latter takes a little more effort.

I'm not seein' it as things stand.

 

[Bill of Rights]

And along those lines, if we can't even get more people to actually vote, why would we expect them to be willing to fight and die? The latter takes a little more effort.

I'm not seein' it as things stand.

Possibly because they're convinced at present (possibly correctly so) that voting is useless, having no effect on the outcome. When it's likely that people would lose their homes and all they have, I think they might find the motivation to pick up a rifle rather than just bend over and bare their backsides.

Will it happen? I don't know. I hope it doesn't go that far. I don't want to kill anyone. OTOH, I think America and the ideals she stands for are worth defending. I'd prefer to do so within the law, rather than as our Founders had to do.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Mr.Hoppes]

Remember the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 anyway so ....

Wouldn't it be funny if they were right after all ?

 

[Rattlesnake46319]

Wouldn't it be funny if they were right after all ?

It'll be funny if I pay off all my bills in November 2012....ok, not really.

 

[flagtag]

And along those lines, if we can't even get more people to actually vote, why would we expect them to be willing to fight and die? The latter takes a little more effort.

I'm not seein' it as things stand.

Give the people a chance. It may take just that last "straw", but even the Obamalovers can be pushed too far. It would be a rude awakening for them when they actually see Obama for what he is (no one knows him right now) OR, when he "dumps" on what they consider sacred.

I have learned from people I work with and others that I talk with, that too many people don't keep up with what is going on in this country - unless it makes the news (and they see it on TV), they are unaware.

I'm afraid it would take a pretty big "news event" to get them to open their eyes to what is going on. ("Head in the sand" syndrome) As long as they're not personally affected, they just don't care enough to get involved. (the "ME" generation just wants to be taken care of)

Obama isn't in office yet. He hasn't had a chance to "work his 'magic'" yet. Give him time and HE will open thier eyes.

 

[Seancass]

Remember the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 anyway so ....

They're all dead, so how smart where they?

i kid. That statement is actually not entirely true, it's more of a cycle. 2012 is like super-new year.

Oh, and i don't expect to see a US civil war in my lifetime.

 

[schwaky18]

"Too modern"? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. It sounds like you mean that as a society, we have become what some would call "civilized" and what others would call "too soft". As it happens, George Soros and his lapdog Obama have already called for a change to our Constitution to remove some of the essential protections within it and some of the restrictions upon the government. In essence, this would be the revolution, and it would be to replace my United States of America with something I would not recognize and to which I would have no loyalty nor tie. That seems fitting, actually, because it certainly would have no loyalty to me, either.

Our moderators have made it very clear that planning for a shooting war in opposition to the lawfully- (or awfully-) elected government of this country will not be tolerated and such posts will be removed. I support this, primarily because I like INGO and I don't want to see it branded "subversive" nor do I want to see it fall under the scrutiny of alphabet agencies. In addition, I believe that if such planning was to occur, it would be unwise to do so in any kind of public forum where such planning could and would be monitored and used against those who made the plans. As such, I do not make any plans like that nor do I support any plans of that nature.

With that said, speaking hypothetically, I would ask you: if it is "pretty dumb" to have a bloodshed revolution when you can just vote the bastards out in 2, 4, or 6 years, but six months after the most recent election, the bastards want to replace our Constitution and in fact, our entire government in it's present form with a socialist or communist state or even a dictatorship, totally removing even the sham that the free vote has become with the advent of electronic voting machines that give no indication as to what votes were actually recorded, what option would be left to the people who still remember and respect what America is supposed to be about? That is, when the power to vote the bastards out is removed by those self-same bastards, what option have we, the people, to remind them that they are there to serve us, not the other way around?

Yes, by too modern I mean we as a society are to fat, lazy, and dumb to fight. In 1776 everyone knew how to use a rifle and what an honest day work really was. Now people can't even climb stairs without being tired or they bitch about their cable not working. This people could never stand up in fight in a revolution, there would only be a small minority of people.

Lastly, you wrote:
Might I remind you that our wise Founders did exactly that. In 1791, they passed, along with the other eight amendments in the document from which I took my screen name, two amendments, one of which defined strictly what the federal government is permitted to do and prohibited to it all powers having to do with anything and everything not specifically listed. The other amendment specified that there are rights appertaining to we, the people, which are not specifically listed. In other words, for us, the Constitution is simply a beginning, a protection for those rights seen as most sacred to our Founders, upon which we could, should, and must build. It was written to empower and to free us. Conversely, for our governmental servants, the Constitution was written to be a straitjacket, confining and restricting it severely to keep the power that they knew it could and would, unfettered, someday wield against the people it was supposed to serve.

Welcome to "someday".

Blessings,
B

Changing the constitution to destroy our freedom would result in an upheaval and then you are right we couldn't vote them out. But constitutional amendments don't come easily, two-thirds majority in house and senate then approved by three-fourths of the states.

What I see happening is Obama taking this country to the far left, but instead of a dictatorship they pass laws that would make sure that others like him get elected, such as the fairness doctrine. As he further erodes away our rights I hope all the blinded people this last time stand up and respond by not allowing this, and then there are constitutional changes put in place to prevent this. Moreover, at no point does the President have a role in the formal amendment process (though he would be free to make his opinion known). He cannot veto an amendment proposal, nor a ratification. So Obama wouldn't even matter.

Further, remember our fore fathers took many different paths before they forced to lead a revolution. This is a last resort option when everything else fails. There are enough checks in our constitution that this resort should never result unless there is a total failure of people (head in the sand). Which you are right is happening right now, but I am hoping and betting on they will be pulling their head out soon and just vote them out. However, if the safeguards in place have been destroyed then you are right, voting them out is not an option. So like our fore fathers did move to the next option and then the next until one works.

Also,we the people could do a popular amendment to the Constitution. Although never done nor stated in the document, its power derives from the people; it was adopted by the people; the constitution functions at the behest of and for the benefit of the people. Given all this, if the people, as a whole, somehow demanded a change to the Constitution, should not the people be allowed to make such a change? As James Wilson (framer though less knowing) noted in 1787, "... the people may change the constitutions whenever and however they please. This is a right of which no positive institution can ever deprive them."

So there are many options we have left, but you are right if people are too blind to care then we have nothing. That is why it is our job to educate and make people open their eyes.

Do I see a revolution or in fact any of this, probably not. I personally think Obama will get nothing he promised done. He will be to tied up with what to do with Iraq (because you can't just leave) and our wonderful economy. Plus I am hoping the republicans filibuster everything.

 

[jedi]

The Mayan calendar does NOT end in 2012.
The Mayan calendar NEVER ends but in 2012 an 'era' in the Mayan calendar comes to an end. For the Mayans this was a HUGE EVENT and caused for great celebrtion.

The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar forms the basis for a New Age belief, first forecast by José Argüelles, that a cataclysm will take place on or about December 21, 2012, a forecast that mainstream Mayanist scholars consider a misinterpretation, yet is commonly referenced in pop-culture media as the 2012 problem. [12][13]

"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies, Inc. in Crystal River, Florida. To render December 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in." [13]

Maya calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[schwaky18]

The Mayan calendar does NOT end in 2012.
The Mayan calendar NEVER ends but in 2012 an 'era' in the Mayan calendar comes to an end. For the Mayans this was a HUGE EVENT and caused for great celebrtion.


Maya calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New age? I am hoping for the end of democratic party.

 

[Prometheus]

I just don't see it happening.

If nothing else I have learned that people are all talk on the Internets, and when it comes to "real-life" they won't actually do anything.

I'm not so sure the OP is talking specifically about the internet.

I know I haven't heard any talk like that on the websites I frequent, but around the hospital I hear staff (from nurses to doctors) talking about civil disobedience to hoping for a revolution.

THAT is what has me puzzled. I've never heard anything like I'm hearing now, or seen some of the panic in my coworkers. I am known as someone who owns guns (if they knew I owned AK's and Uzis most would have crapped themselves) asking me, for the first time, about getting guns, about owning them. Many of whom were either not interested or antigun a few months ago. The looks of panic when I tell them they have to get a FOID card first (at my ILL location)...

Sorry if I don't have to pause an ask myself just WTH is going on when people have this sort of ' epiphany '... something is going on. People are PANICKED.

The economy is in the crapper (I don't care what that idiot dubya says) and we are headed for a depression, at best. If this sort of fear is happening in health care... just what is going on at the local ford or GM plant right now? Stark terror?

 

[right winger]

Do not see it happening any time soon.

 

[Chefcook]

A militant revolution will never happen in this country. What is possible and maybe even probable is that the government could collapse or fold as the Soviet Union did at the end of the cold war. Just my

 

[JetGirl]

2012 President Sarah Palin and Vice President Susanna Gratia-Hupp!!!!!!!

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Chefcook]

Fixed it for ya.

The following is a transcript of the testimony of Dr. Gratia in favor of Missouri's HB-1720, a bill that would allow citizens of Missouri to obtain a permit to carry a firearm concealed on or about their person. It was transcribed from a very poor tape recording. Please forgive any problems that were encountered in the transcription that are due to the poor quality of the recording.

"Sitting back there listening to this, I've gotta tell you that it just amazes me. My father was an expert in the founding of our country, and knowing what I know about the Bill of Rights, - it just - it just - friggin' amazes me that this even up for discussion! Enough said about that. OK."
"I grew up in a house with no guns, my father was not 'Bubba Hunter' uh - in fact he gave up fishing because he didn't like to clean fish - OK - When I grew up and moved out on my own I was given a gun by a friend, for self protection, - I was taught how to use it and knew how to use it correctly, and I carried it my purse. I lived in the country by myself - OK - "
"Somewhere along the line I made one of my stupidest decisions- I was afraid that - if - somebody caught me with the gun in my purse, I could lose my license to practice, lose my ability to make a living. So I took the gun out of my purse and I left it in my car - which the laws in my state are kinda wishy- washy on - and I thought, 'Heck, if I needed it, it's probably going to be when I'm out on the road - in the middle of nowhere and, you know, my car's broke down or something - "
"Everybody in here knows, I think, what happened in Luby's - but, in a nutshell - uh - ya know, we all think - and I know you do - (indicating a committee member), we all think that crime happens when you're walking down a dark alley- I've never been involved in any crimes - that's never happened in my life - I was with my parents - AT NOON, on a bright sunny day, in Luby's, with a hundred and forty other people, OK. In a town that's not a high crime town."
"This guy - . drives through the window - . and starts shooting - This guy has got no history - nothing." "Well, my father and I immediatly put the table up in front of us and we all got down behind it, and I - ya know your first opinion is - is this guy robbing this place - what's the deal - what's - what's going on, and then you're realizing that all he's doing is simply shooting people."
"As he was working his way toward us, I reached for my purse, thinking - Hah! - I've got this son of a gun - OK? Now, understand, I know what a lot of people think, - they think, - 'Oh, my God, then you would have had a gunfight and then more people would have been killed.' Unhunh, no, - I was down on the floor - this guy is standing up - everybody else is down on the floor - I had a perfect shot at him - it would have been clear, I had a place to prop my hand - the guy was not even aware of what we were doing - I'm not saying that I could have saved anybody in there, but I would have had a chance - that's all I'm saying is that I would have had a chance - " "My gun wasn't even in my purse - it was a hundred feet away in my car!"
"My father was saying, 'I gotta do something!, I gotta do something! This guy's going to kill everyone in here!' So I wasn't able to hold him down and when my father thought he had a chance - he went at the guy! The guy turned, shot him in the chest and my dad went down."
"Shortly - it made the guy change directions and he went off to my left. Shortly after that somebody broke out a window in back and I saw a chance to get out - I grabbed my mother and tried to get her up - hoped she was following me - and I grew wings on my feet. As it turned out, my mother crawled over to my father and stayed with him - and this - I'm trying to think of a civil word to use - this person - uh - eventually came around and shot her also - OK"
"Let me make a point here, in case this isn't becoming extremely clear. My state has gun control laws. It did not keep Hennard from coming in and killing everybody! What it did do, was keep me from protecting my family! That's the only thing that cotton pickin' law did! OK! Understand that! That's - that's so important!"
"Am I allowed to use a little theatrics - May I stand up?" Chairman replies "Go right ahead".
"Nobody thinks about this, but just imagine this, because I thought of this, I think about this occasionally now, I'm not a paranoid person, - I still live in the country, I - go about my business and have fun. But this has, needless to say, become an issue for me."
"There is zero - there is no security out there to speak of at all. It's a bright sunny day out there - now - what if one of those guys out there (indicating the hearing room entryway) walked in here with a pistol - an automatic - and he started blasting. Well there's only a couple of doors and let me tell you, you can't get out that door that quick before he can mow down a lot of people. Now what if he walks over here (toward a committe member) and he's got that gun pointed right at you? Don't you hope that that lady right there, (pointing to another committee member) has a revolver in her purse and knows how to use it and@%$&# (unintelligible)? Committeeman replies "No." "You don't hope that? You'd rather be dropped dead?" Committeeman, "If she tries to shoot him, someone on the other side of me would be hit"
Conversation that follows is a distinctive "I would" from the audience among many other voices until the Chairman announces "Excuse me, Ma'am, your point has been made," interrupted by an "I agree with you!" from the audience.

Dr. Gratia, "That's basically it, let me, - let me make one last - uh - little bit - OK - let's forget that scenario - You have a twenty- one year old daughter - this will the last little thing I want to say - she drives to college everyday on backroads - we have a lot of those in Texas, I'm sure you have quite a few here - she has some car trouble - and it's on one of those roads where somebody drives by every five minutes - she is at the mercy of whoever happens to drive by next! OK - now - 'Bubba' drives up behind her - I hope nobody in here is named 'Bubba' - drives up behind her in a pick- up truck - and he gets out with a baseball bat - a big old knife in his pocket - gets out with a baseball bat and starts bashing her windshield in. Now - your twenty- one year old daughter is your only daughter. Would you like for her to have a gun in her car? That's all I have to say - do you have any questions?"

 

[MilitaryArms]

I went into Blthyes this weekend to shoot and found that they had sold just about every black rifle they had in stock... even the FS2000 that was horribly over priced.

Their inventory has been gutted. People are panicked, but I doubt they're buying weapons for the pending insurrection they plan to take part in. Conversely, I believe they are buying to get in before the ban(s).

 

[flagtag]

I'm not so sure the OP is talking specifically about the internet.

I know I haven't heard any talk like that on the websites I frequent, but around the hospital I hear staff (from nurses to doctors) talking about civil disobedience to hoping for a revolution.

THAT is what has me puzzled. I've never heard anything like I'm hearing now, or seen some of the panic in my coworkers. I am known as someone who owns guns (if they knew I owned AK's and Uzis most would have crapped themselves) asking me, for the first time, about getting guns, about owning them. Many of whom were either not interested or antigun a few months ago. The looks of panic when I tell them they have to get a FOID card first (at my ILL location)...

Sorry if I don't have to pause an ask myself just WTH is going on when people have this sort of ' epiphany '... something is going on. People are PANICKED.

The economy is in the crapper (I don't care what that idiot dubya says) and we are headed for a depression, at best. If this sort of fear is happening in health care... just what is going on at the local ford or GM plant right now? Stark terror?

If "dubya" admitted the truth, what do you think would happen? You think it's bad now, think of what would happen if people (sheeple) didn't have hope. (The sheeple know, but don't want to admit it. They want to keep their "fantacy world" image.)

 

[4sarge]

I hope and pray NOT. Is a revolution (Civil War) possible, yes, but Not probable. We are a diverse (government engineered) divided populace with out a deep thread to bind us together other than gun ownership. In times past, religion (I know Not PC), culture, familial relationships (blood feuds), ethnicity, political philosophy were the the ties that binded. We (Americans) have all become lazy and unwilling to fight for our rights other than complain as laptop commandos on the Internet. We are Divided and purposely so. Without uniting we lack the monetary and political power to effect Change. We need "Our" own ACORN

We have underestimated "Our" Enemy and they are "Our" Enemy. We need a Leader.

Obama - Charismatic (sic) leader to lead the sheeple and drink the Liberal Elitist Anti Gun Kool Aid.

We need (gun owners) a spokesman who commands respect and can motivate, organize and LEAD. Until then, we are spiraling down the drain. Study the UK and Australian Gun Grab. Believe me, it can and will happen here under Obama.

The law abiding will become the criminal - People, it will happen here.

Gun makers, Ammunition Manufacturers, dealers and gun owners should be in this fight together.

It can and will happen here unless we stop it before it becomes law

AWB (No Grandfather or will be unable to sell or pass along)
Ammunition Tax, Arsenal Registration (cache defined)
Gun Registration
Obama's Civilian Brown Shirt "well armed" National Force
Gun Turn-In
Gun Confiscation or Prison for those who do not comply.

It will happen with nary a shot fired and I will shed a tear for the end of Freedom in America

I hope that I am wrong

 

[flagtag]

I don't think they are THAT stupid! Especially after seeing the news reports of all the gun purchases in the last month or two.
They should know that they would have a fight on their hands. And in 2012, there would be a HUGE turnover in government personnel. And the new President could use HIS/HER "Executive Powers" to overturn the unConstitutional gun laws. (If he/she wants the job or to keep the job.)

Executive Orders can work for more than one President.

 

[4sarge]

I don't think they are THAT stupid! Especially after seeing the news reports of all the gun purchases in the last month or two.
They should know that they would have a fight on their hands. And in 2012, there would be a HUGE turnover in government personnel. And the new President could use HIS/HER "Executive Powers" to overturn the unConstitutional gun laws. (If he/she wants the job or to keep the job.)

Executive Orders can work for more than one President.

I posted a worse case scenario (actually could be worse than this) just to wake up a few of the non believers about what could happen if we do not band together and rally for our cause. Unfortunately, I do believe that they are THAT Stupid and Power Hungry with a large ideological base of zealots