Indiana Constitutional Carry-Summer Study thread (2017)

[brotherbill3]

STOP THE PRESSES!! The hearing on the 12th is canceled, rescheduled for 30 October, 1030 in the House Chambers (AKA the BIG room).


https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2017/committees/judiciary_and_public_policy

Thanks, was just coming to share this. They changed that nicely on a weekend when we are all out enjoying away time.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Thanks, was just coming to share this. They changed that nicely on a weekend when we are all out enjoying away time.

Part of the Friday afternoon document dump no doubt! Wow I'm getting cynical. I probably checked sometime Friday and it was still on the 12th, not for sure though. 18 more days gives us a chance to muster more forces. All we need to do is provide the facts while being polite and professional.

Although at some point we should remind our elected officials that the Indiana State Government wouldn't be overwhelming Republican if a majority of the voting population thought like the antis.

 

[chipbennett]

I don't think I have seen this question asked in relation to CC. I began wondering today, if CC is passed, how will it affect private sales? There seems to be a reliance on the LTCH in the INGO classifieds as a condition of purchase.

Under current Indiana statutes, the LTCH is not involved in any way in the transfer of a handgun, whether the transfer is through an FFL or a private transfer. So, constitutional carry, which retains the carry license but makes it merely optional (for reciprocity), will have zero impact on the private transfer of handguns.

 

[2A_Tom]

Chip I think the question pertained to some INGOers requiring it for a transfer in the classies.

 

[brotherbill3]

Chip I think the question pertained to some INGOers requiring it for a transfer in the classies.

That's a sellers requirement to do business, not a requirement of the state or even implied by state law. Con Carry has no effect; unless people want to lower their requirements.
Since LTCH's continue to be valid and available, no need to change.
If I don't know you thoroughly enough; it (showing the LTCH) is a good way to prove one is a proper, as opposed to a prohibited, person.

 

[2A_Tom]

I don't think I have seen this question asked in relation to CC. I began wondering today, if CC is passed, how will it affect private sales? There seems to be a reliance on the LTCH in the INGO classifieds as a condition of purchase.

But that WAS the gist of his question.

 

[chipbennett]

Chip I think the question pertained to some INGOers requiring it for a transfer in the classies.

That's a sellers requirement to do business, not a requirement of the state or even implied by state law. Con Carry has no effect; unless people want to lower their requirements.
Since LTCH's continue to be valid and available, no need to change.
If I don't know you thoroughly enough; it (showing the LTCH) is a good way to prove one is a proper, as opposed to a prohibited, person.

I don't engage in the classifieds, but if I did, and I had any question about the legality of a transfer, I would follow the statutory requirements, and conduct the transfer through an FFL. In that case, I am statutorily protected by a "PROCEED". Merely using an LTCH (that I have no way of proving is even still valid) confers no such statutory protection for my actions in conducting the transfer.

 

[Turf Doctor]

A short video from the USCCA.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/constitutional-carry-and-you/

 

[chipbennett]

A short video from the USCCA.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/constitutional-carry-and-you/

I say this as someone who carries USCCA insurance: I take their opinions with a grain of salt. They have a product to sell.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news...=1901145896567348&fb_action_types=og.comments

"House Speaker Bosma, the lawmaker largely responsible for setting the House's agenda, previously said he didn't see the point in permit-less carry. "I think our current gun laws are properly protective of the Second Amendment, and I don’t see that we need to have changes, but that’s just me personally," Bosma said prior to the start of the last legislative session."

 

[KellyinAvon]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news...=1901145896567348&fb_action_types=og.comments

"House Speaker Bosma, the lawmaker largely responsible for setting the House's agenda, previously said he didn't see the point in permit-less carry. "I think our current gun laws are properly protective of the Second Amendment, and I don’t see that we need to have changes, but that’s just me personally," Bosma said prior to the start of the last legislative session."

Paging Mr. Freeman, Mr. Kirk Freeman.

The hearing is now on the 30th in the House Chambers. It took the Indy Star a week to figure out the change and they didn't mention the new date. The bar for journalism is now below sea-level.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Back to the top! Still on track for 1030 on the 30th.

 

[brotherbill3]

Back to the top! Still on track for 1030 on the 30th.

1030 x 1030 ... seems like a square deal ...

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Paging Mr. Freeman, Mr. Kirk Freeman.

I've said it before but it bears repeating. Bosma is the schwerpunkt.

Write him, call him, e-mail him. He is your focus.

Tell your friends, tell your family, tell everyone--write Speaker Bosma.

 

[Hotrod29]

I'm sorry for being uninformed but has any "study" been conducted and if so is there a report or something we can read?

 

[Hawkeye]

I'm sorry for being uninformed but has any "study" been conducted and if so is there a report or something we can read?

its not complete. I think there have been two hearings so far with a third scheduled for next week. Basically its been testimony from interested parties and certain legislators. I think there are links in this thread if you want to play back any of the testimony. Dont know if a written report will be issued to the populace or not.

 

[Hotrod29]

Thanks for the response. Sounds like a kangaroo court to me. A study imo should be different and distinct from random testimony. As much as I want this to pass I have very little faith that it will this time around

 

[KellyinAvon]

Thanks for the response. Sounds like a kangaroo court to me. A study imo should be different and distinct from random testimony. As much as I want this to pass I have very little faith that it will this time around

Always with them negative waves, Moriarty!

It's not a kangaroo court or a sprint. This is definitely a marathon as it was in all the States that have recently passed ConC. I've been there for the first two committee hearings and will be there again on the 30th. I'm not sure what you're looking for in a study (these are politicians, not Industrial Engineers), hearing from the citizens of the State is what our elected officials should do.

You can attend or watch it live on the Indiana General Assembly website. I can assure you the testimony by those on our side of the issue isn't random.

 

[RobbyMaQ]

I think it depends on the points driven home.

ie, Kirk pointing out that we have a defacto constitutional carry already, sorta puts the whole debate in 'moot mode' when one thinks about it...

They can rattle off whatever the hell stats they wish... it doesn't change the fact that:
No one can ask for proof of your license to carry (unless you're suspected of a violent crime using a weapon) except the state which chooses to make you prove your innocence before issuing you your license.

There is literally NO OTHER LEGAL method to prove you should be able to carry a firearm in Indiana until AFTER it is used.

 

[Hawkeye]

Thanks for the response. Sounds like a kangaroo court to me. A study imo should be different and distinct from random testimony. As much as I want this to pass I have very little faith that it will this time around

NO, its not a "kangaroo court". We are getting really good testimony on the record in favor of ConCarry. The anti's are really only silly entertainment with NO facts, just emotion.

Since you already noted that you are not informed on the process, you might want to refrain from forming an opinion at this stage. That is what the anti's are doing. Forming their opinions without any study or review. Several of our INGO members have provided very good, fact-based, direct experience- based testimony.

Its a multi year process. Working our representative republic's legislative system takes time, but in the end I am confident that we will win.