You did not say those words but the tone was clearly talking down to those who send their kids to public schools. A person talks down to the people they think they are either smarter or better than. Your superiority is obvious.
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Indiana becomes 1st state to officially opt-out of Common Core edu standards
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You did not say those words but the tone was clearly talking down to those who send their kids to public schools. A person talks down to the people they think they are either smarter or better than. Your superiority is obvious.
I know each family is different and their needs/wants are different. What was the problem with your schools that was addressed with homeschooling? I am asking honestly and without a tone or 'tude. I ask because both of my kids 9 and 12 are in advanced placement and have been so since 2nd grade. They are extremely smart and the advanced curriculum is very challenging. My son competes in after school robotics with schools around the state and hopefully around the country. He will be attending computer programming classes at IUPUI over this summer. Effectively, he is smarter in math than I am. How could I teach him? He could teach me. Both are well liked in their schools with very little friction. What would be the advantage?
HeadlessRoland
Shooter
Right, I was expressing my amazement. Not calling anyone stupid. Please don't project your value judgements onto me. Thank you.
My kids went to public school years ago, but both my wife and I spent time supplementing their education. Things weren't good then and they sound worse now, a trend running in the opposite direction to the Niagara of money extracted from the taxpayers for it's purpose. The education/industrial complex's focus is on money and power, kids are just tools they use to get what they want.
Why are you amazed? What makes you amazed?
I'm not going to take the bait
Can't say I'm surprised. In fact, I think I said that in post #7.
level.eleven
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Without clicking on the extremist, conspiracy theory site, I can tell you that the headline is probably correct. Folks know the standards are solid but conservatives needed to rebrand them in order to appease the tea party/conspiracy crowd. Florida, Arizona, along with several other states have done the same thing. Just give them a pat on the head and send them back to the sandbox while the adults get to work.
TheUziButton
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I concur with this electrical engineer’s view of common core mathematics…
Wife's a teacher. Special Education teacher at that. She deals with the cast offs and unteachable. She puts in 10-14 hour days to file paperwork on her kids. She deals with whacko parents that are either in denial or flat out don't give a ****. she deals with people looking for a quick pay out to sue the schools. Her school is at the top of the state. To top it off, she still have to provide "services" to home schooled kids. With parents that are doing NO teaching at all, yet she is still legally responsible for their education.
Yep, ALL public schools are terrible. ALL teachers are idiots. ALL.... **** it. You get the point.
If we're talking about ****ty public schools...
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HeadlessRoland
Shooter
Between you and Denny, you're doing a great job of attributing phrases to me which I've never said.
Public education is socialism and it is the least effective method of education. Moreover, it is a recent advent of mankind. Before which, all education was personalized and direct when it happened at all. There exist great teachers. Most of them do excellent jobs. But they still operate and function within an ineffective and inefficient system. I've heard nothing from INGO but that all children are different - if this is so, why are they not educated according to their own needs and abilities, rather than put in the same classroom and expected to all learn the same way at the same rate? Why is their education not individualized? If children are individuals and they all learn differently they benefit most from a direct and individualized method of education. Men may deny this truth. Men may reject this truth. But men cannot change this truth. You can take all the personal umbrage you want on behalf of your wife, whom I'm sure does an excellent job, but that doesn't change the fact that good as though most teachers are, public curriculum is dumbed-down and the public method is ineffective, if for no other reason than it treats children as automatons in seats, rather than individual minds. Until and unless public education can devise a way to individualize the curriculum and methods to account for each child's individual learning style and pace, it will forever be woefully inadequate, and so long as it is controlled by the State, will forever espouse the ideologies championed by that State. Moreover, with the advent of internet and independently-operated online curricula and institutions, it is cheaper and easier than ever to homeschool, which is rapidly supplanting the old one-size-fits-all model that public education has held as its standard.
But you go right ahead and continue to feel insulted and mis-attribute things to me which I have never said, if in fact that makes you feel better.
Ah yes, the old public school debate. Well, I've no doubt that it will outlive me.
As long as the State stays out of my face and allows me to educate my own children (while I pay for their education AND that of someone else at the public school....you're welcome), I'll be happy.
I feel bad for the students that public school does not adequately prepare, but you make your choices and live with the results.
As long as the State stays out of my face and allows me to educate my own children (while I pay for their education AND that of someone else at the public school....you're welcome), I'll be happy.
I feel bad for the students that public school does not adequately prepare, but you make your choices and live with the results.
All government schools are terrible in that they are state-controlled means of educating funded through confiscatory taxation at the point of a gun. To expand on Roland's comments, government schools are educational welfare, entitlement programs and nothing more. The parallels are obvious, but it would seem that for some reason there's an exception for making your neighbor pay for your personality responsibility when it comes to the education your children receive. If it's wrong to coerce a neighbor to pay for food, housing, health care at the point of a gun, why isn't it wrong to force that same neighbor to pay for your children's education?
The efforts and outcomes of individual teachers, schools, and districts don't change any of that. I believe that most of the teachers are well-intentioned. I believe that most teachers are adequate-to-good. But the system that employs them is rotten to the core.
I'm having a hard time understanding why there's so much defensive posturing from the proponents of government schools though. Feeling guilty about the decision?
Because his opinion differs from yours?
DragonGunner
Grandmaster
Both my sons are very bright, and very good kids. The teachers in 1st and 3rd grade sucked....period. I met them and they were young and i walked away with the expression that they didn't want to be teachers, just took the job......maybe its because they didn't have kids yet, but the 1st grade teachers at one time got mad and hit a desk, which cause my youngest to be scared to death of him. They struggled badly with learning and were falling behind. We also noticed it was taking upawards of 4 hours of homework every night. My sister was a teacher and lives in FL and said it was same down there now. She just can't believe the pressure and homework they are putting on young kids. I is my opinion that the teachers and schools are just looking for the A students, and didn't give a crap about those falling behind, they weren't worth the effort. So we took them out and tried our best raising them......like my Dad told me when I came home with my first F in the 9th grades (mom was furious and sent me to him) he looked at it and handed it back to me and said.."Son, I don't care what your grades are, just as long as you grow up with some common sense." I missed that mark a few times.....lol.....but I try. i also know what kind of trouble I got into because of all the peer pressure, and drugs in school......and my wife at that time too. My faith in God, and what i had been through, and seeing these young teachers and talking to them made my decision to take them away from public schools.....they still socialized with there friends and grew up with great qualities. They are now 26 and 24, they don't drink, smoke or do drugs. They both have had jobs since 18 or before and make more money than I do! Oldest is married and will building his house on his own property from his savings this year, yes, him and his wife saved and have no need of a loan. My youngest put money down on a house 2 years ago and hopes to have it payed off by next year already......would they of came out the same in the public schools, I hope so, but we might of kept them from a lot of bad influences....can never say for sure. Like I said, its not for everyone.....but I hope we will always have the freedom to decide for our children what "we" want for their best. Sadly, they have had 6 friends that they grew up with who are dead now from drug abuse. Teach them the right way while they are young.
I think we may be lucky then. Since my kids are in the Excel Program, the teachers are going to be the more motivated and students there eager to learn. I would be singing a different tune if we were in "general population" I suppose. Obviously VERY school dependent. Thanks for your input.
This article is spot on. I have heard Dr. Stotsky, Dr. Terrence Moore, and others speak at the statehouse about Common Core, and they are correct. The "new draft standards" now being prepared for Indiana are nothing more than Common Core Revisited and Re-branded (as Gov. Huckabee suggested). Two alarmed parents, Heather Crossin and Erin Tuttle, have spearheaded the popular movement against Common Core in Indiana from the very beginning. They are now continuing to do so against the so-called "new draft standards," as they realized immediately that this re-writing is nothing more than an attempt to lull us all back to sleep. I think we should do all we can to support their efforts.
In an earlier post, Left Sock says to follow the money. I think this also is spot on. Ask yourself why the Chamber of Commerce, Bill Gates, and others who are proponents of Common Core are doing this. Could it possibly be for the most cynical of reasons--profit? For them, I believe it's not about children at all. It 's about the money to be made selling textbooks, computer equipment, test scoring...and on and on.
Whatever you choose to believe about Common Core, it's clear to me that it amounts to a takeover of local education by the federal government--those nice, clear-thinking folks who brought us Obamacare and so many other legislative tragedies. This is something that I believe should give us all pause.
